Nvidia GTX 460

cerebus said:
Well... still 460 is better price/performance than its equivalent - or just about anything else atm. But yea ok :p
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(some) 5850's are cheaper (here), and can be overclocked to perform close to a stock 5870. So until we see some cheap 1gb versions appearing, bang for buck still goes to the 5850 imo.
 
Ye, the whole price/performance debate becomes null when dealing with South African prices :(
 
kelevra said:
Well if the heat don't bother then it's all good.I just had pretty shetty experiences with cards in single and SLI setup.Wonder why Nvidia didn't put any decent coolers on their cards knowing it's gonna run hot...
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They're designed to take the heat.
 
kelevra said:
Also true but scary....
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No, why would it be scary? It's a product, designed to sufficiently operate at high temperatures. Remember the initial 4850/4870 cards? Round 90 deg's was near average before the fan fix.
My second hand 4870 is still fine after all this time (obv I've adjusted the fan profile with ATT so it rarely peers over 80)
 
dudewotevr said:
(some) 5850's are cheaper (here), and can be overclocked to perform close to a stock 5870. So until we see some cheap 1gb versions appearing, bang for buck still goes to the 5850 imo.
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Unfortunately that's the truth.
 
The performance of the GTX 460 is similar to a HD4890 which has been selling for around R2000 for a year so I fail to see the excitement here. Yes, it is cheap but only when comparing to Nvidias other overpriced cards. There's not much improvement, if any, in this round of graphics cards with regards to price/performance. (ATI and Nvidia)
 
I think if you looking to upgrade from a 4890, then the 460 will disappoint you, and you should look a little toward 5850 or 470... But If you go sli vs CF with these two then we talking a whole other ball game!

For some one in the market for cards around that range (assuming we had US pricing) the 460 would be a clear winner. New tech and DX11...
 
Agreed. WAY too much hype. Seems there's a little fanboi in everyone..
 
wow been a long time away here :D
Anyway, someone mentioned that pricing in SA makes these cards meaningless (or something along those lines) and that is probably the truest thing said in this thread.
Once again this is a distributor problem (not really just greed but anyway that's another issue entirely) because the 1GB GTX460 which is supposed ot be $229 is $394 locally if not $400. So the price point NVIDIA was going for has been nullified in SA. Luckily though that does not detract fro the great card the GTX460 is.
To those who say it's fan boy hype, it is not. I have had OC version of the 1GB and 768MB as well for a week now. These run ultra quiet, very cool and perform extremely well. Comparing these to 4870/4890 is missing the point because those are different generation cards. DX11 vs DX10. Comparing last generation's high end and this generation's mid-ramge is not fair. Someone said apples against apples, which 4890 vs GTX460 is not. One was a high end card with an MSRP of $399, the other is $199 and $229. they are not the same. Let's not forget again, GTX460 much like 5830 etc are DX11 cards, compare them with the cards they replace as well, which is in NVIDIA's case the GTS250. In the rest of the sane world where markups and profit margins are not in the high double digits, the $199 GTX460 is faster than the recently discounted 5830. The 1GB 460 is that much closer to the 5850 which the cheapest I can find is $279 (most are still $299). Yes the 5850 is a faster card, but it isn't a whole $50 better.
In the case of the 5830, it's just downright slower than the 768MB GTX460 at the same $199 price point.

In regards to the GF104 being scaled down or up, it is down. The die size is smaller, closer to Cypress in density, hence the similarly high overclocking speeds for the same node. GF104 @ 1.9BN gates is very close to Cypress 2.1BN and both easily make 900MHz at about similar voltage, not surprising since these are same lithography, casting etc from TSMC. GF104, has parts removed that were in GF100, like only one SM has full FP64, global cache is significantly smaller, mem controller has also dropped ECC support (actually gone from entire memory pipeline) that's why the memory clocks so much better on these than GF100 cores. Indeed computationaly, at least outside of a pure mathematical HPC comtext, GF104 is more efficient at consumer level graphics because it'll never be a professional core, however the design is lifetd directly from the GF100, difference is that its not binned/salvaged from same GF100 wafers (like GTX465) but has its own which allow better granularity up and down.

The excitement over the GTX460 is beasue this is the segment that sells the most and is because of volume the most lucrative. Any other place with a remotely sensible market the GTX460's are probably best mid-range products in last 5 years. In SA though, these cards at best completely useless.
 
ShockG said:
wow been a long time away here :D
Anyway, someone mentioned that pricing in SA makes these cards meaningless (or something along those lines) and that is probably the truest thing said in this thread.
Once again this is a distributor problem (not really just greed but anyway that's another issue entirely) because the 1GB GTX460 which is supposed ot be $229 is $394 locally if not $400. So the price point NVIDIA was going for has been nullified in SA. Luckily though that does not detract fro the great card the GTX460 is.
To those who say it's fan boy hype, it is not. I have had OC version of the 1GB and 768MB as well for a week now. These run ultra quiet, very cool and perform extremely well. Comparing these to 4870/4890 is missing the point because those are different generation cards. DX11 vs DX10. Comparing last generation's high end and this generation's mid-ramge is not fair. Someone said apples against apples, which 4890 vs GTX460 is not. One was a high end card with an MSRP of $399, the other is $199 and $229. they are not the same. Let's not forget again, GTX460 much like 5830 etc are DX11 cards, compare them with the cards they replace as well, which is in NVIDIA's case the GTS250. In the rest of the sane world where markups and profit margins are not in the high double digits, the $199 GTX460 is faster than the recently discounted 5830. The 1GB 460 is that much closer to the 5850 which the cheapest I can find is $279 (most are still $299). Yes the 5850 is a faster card, but it isn't a whole $50 better.
In the case of the 5830, it's just downright slower than the 768MB GTX460 at the same $199 price point.

In SA though, these cards at best completely useless.
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I meant hype wrt to it's relevance locally thank you very much, as you have just RE-iterated (what we had already concluded).

"Nodes, lithography, casting", ..mm mhm mm, very interesting. We get it, you know A LOT about pc's!!! Well done lol.
 
Asus ENGTX470/2DI/1280MD5 , HDMi ready , geforce GTX470 , 40nm , SLi support , Pci-E 2.0 16x , support HybridPower , 1.25Gb/1280mb 320bit DDR5 , support 3D Surround + DirectX 11+tessellation + shader model 5.0 + 32x AA ; max resolution 2560x1600 , HDCP Compliant , RoPs : 40 , 133.9Gb/sec memory transfer , 448 cuda cores @ 1.215Ghz ( pixel shader engine + vertex pipelines ) , core/memory : 607/3348mhz , 2x dvi + HDMi ( with dvi to d-sub converter ) - Not too shabby a buy at R4399
 
We talking about the 460 not 470 :p
But it's not a bad price. Just the heat created and power draw push many buyers away..
The 460's in SLi will dominate any 470 :) price(just not really in SA) and performance..
 
cerebus said:
:p

I think this is going to be my next goal for upgrade - with a view to SLI'ing them at some time in the future. BTW SLI performance is off the charts. They'll compete with a 5970 in SLI - well a bit behind I think but not a whole lot.
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lol
 
nakedpeanut said:
We talking about the 460 not 470 :p
But it's not a bad price. Just the heat created and power draw push many buyers away..
The 460's in SLi will dominate any 470 :) price(just not really in SA) and performance..
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I cant read straight :)
 
Sapphire HD5850 Game edition , 40nm , HDMi ready , support Eyefinity + DirectX 11 , crossfire-X , built-in HDMi codec+7.1 audio , 1080p HDCP Compliant , pci-e 2.0 x16 , 1Gb 256bit 4 channel DDR5 , 32RoPs , 128Gb/sec memory transfer ; 1440 stream processors ( pixel shader engine + vertex pipelines ) , 72 texture unit , 2.09 TeraFLoPs , core/memory : 725/4000mhz , 2x dvi+Hdmi+DisplayPort, HDTV+HDMi tv-out - full retail pack with bundle game - R3150

Or...

Asus ENGTX465/2Di/1GMD5 , HDMi ready , geforce GTX465 , 40nm , SLi support , Pci-E 2.0 16x , support HybridPower , 1Gb/1024mb 256bit DDR5 , support 3D Surround + DirectX 11+tessellation + shader model 5.0 + 32x AA ; max resolution 2560x1600 , HDCP Compliant , RoPs : 32 , 102.6Gb/sec memory transfer , 352 cuda cores @ 1.215Ghz ( pixel shader engine + vertex pipelines ) , core/memory : 607/3206mhz , 2x dvi + HDMi ( with dvi to d-sub + dvi to HDMi converter ) - R3450

Which is the better choice? The 465 I would guess costs a bit more
 
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