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Unhappy438 said:
Debt doesnt plays a role with FFP, think its based on gross income, United has one of the largest. I would imagine its set up like this because investment in things like infrastructure isnt counted.
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Either way that debt won't be brought into it because it's debt incurred by financing the buying of the club. Afaik FFP looks at operating costs and debt incurred by that.

Maverick Jester said:
Anything above 16mil should see you actually making a profit off of him, given how player amortisation usually operates. 15mil would see a tiny loss, but I bet that many teams would take him for that amount.
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Maybe, but at his age? And then on top of that to pay those wages? Dunno...
 
Randhir said:
Maybe, but at his age? And then on top of that to pay those wages? Dunno...
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He is a world class forward, and 15mil is a bargain regardless of his age. A good World Cup in the Dutch side that he captains, would certainly help.

I guess his wages would be the biggest stumbling block, unless he willingly takes a wage cut, or you can offload him to Madrid.
 
Maverick Jester said:
He is a world class forward, and 15mil is a bargain regardless of his age. A good World Cup in the Dutch side that he captains, would certainly help.

I guess his wages would be the biggest stumbling block, unless he willingly takes a wage cut, or you can offload him to Madrid.
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Depends.. He's such a class player, but doesn't fit in with how we need to play, and can't make him second-string either..
 
craigdoepie said:
Not trying to be funny or anything, but as mentioned before, many times before. Utd needs a major overhaul. Yes you guys do have a few decent players, but majority of them are old timers or close to being old timers.

The Premier League is getting tougher by the season, look even Pool is making a difference nowadays :D

But to keep up or even challenge for Champions League next season, something drastic needs to be done.
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Eh? What's wishing to make it into Europa got anything to do about United needing a major overhaul? We all know that's gonna happen this transfer window
 
 
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Unhappy438 said:
An interesting article for Thestaggy and Randi :)

http://livelifeunited.com/united-squad-can-win-title-set-correctly/

Also this

http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/latest/moyes-50-failings-in-50-games/
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Not sure what the first has to do with me, I pointed out that Moyes has failed tactically on many occasions. What my point was, and it was quite clear, was that there were other factors that, when combined with the tactical failure by management, exacerbated the situation.

The second article is a bitch-fest, a lot of which happens to have nothing to do with Moyes, or is ridiculous in its criticism. Pandering to Rooney? If he hadn't signed a new contract I bet you this article would criticise for Moyes not kissing Rooney's arse enough to make him stay.

47. He’s a closet ginger
Enough said, really.
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Really? :rolleyes:
 
Randhir said:
Not sure what the first has to do with me, I pointed out that Moyes has failed tactically on many occasions. What my point was, and it was quite clear, was that there were other factors that, when combined with the tactical failure by management, exacerbated the situation.
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Just thought you two in particular might find the article interesting, not trying to say you do or dont hold the views expressed :)

Randhir said:
The second article is a bitch-fest, a lot of which happens to have nothing to do with Moyes, or is ridiculous in its criticism. Pandering to Rooney? If he hadn't signed a new contract I bet you this article would criticise for Moyes not kissing Rooney's arse enough to make him stay.



Really? :rolleyes:
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Haha yeah, lol look at the source, i believe it was the same source that had that Moyes letter with all those expletives, so yeah its a bit of a tongue in cheek one.
 
Unhappy438 said:
An interesting article for Thestaggy and Randi :)

http://livelifeunited.com/united-squad-can-win-title-set-correctly/

Also this

http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/latest/moyes-50-failings-in-50-games/
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Like Randhir, I've never disputed that Moyes has been part of the problem at times, but as I stated earlier, I don't feel like arguing the strength of this squad again.

Also, that article illustrates how Moyes can evolve when one looks at the Newcastle match, which is what I have been saying. The man needs a chance.

If they do fire him, expect squad turnover, which contradicts this notion that they have a powerful squad. Anywhere between 5 and 8 of the current first-teamers/fringe players will be off.
 
KOPITE said:
Even if its one season it can set you back in so many ways. By the way utd has been performing bookies will bet that utd won't make top 4 next season. by that i mean your top 5 or 6 will strenghen, so utd need to strenghen double on what most of the top teams do. the other teams are also settled teams and only need to add depth.

Uth oare already in debt of 350 million pounds. FFP rule is also coming into play and i cannot see utd spending more then 100 million in the summer.

the problem is not so much releasing a player, but getting a club that wants them and paying as little as possible for the player. also matching his current wages will be a stumbling block. so you've got to first off load before you can consider byuing your main targets. the other clubs would want to get their targets early, so that would leave utd with getting the scraps if you want to call it that.

this season will be a big test for Woodward and Moyes to see if they can get their targets in time and paying proper transfer fees.

you have already seen quite a few players like RvP, Ferdinand and co. complaining in the press about Moyes tactics and training methods.

All i would say it will be interesting what will unfold and how things will pan out for utd.
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United are really a handful of miserable one-goal losses at home away from the Champions League. 1-0 home defeats to Everton & Newcastle, 2-1 defeats to West Brom and Spurs. 2-2 draw at home to Fulham. Turn any of those two into a win and United are 1-point behind Arsenal, 3 behind Everton, with a game to go against Everton. Champions League football is not that far away. Also, Arsenal could become better, Everton will struggle to. They will hit a financial barrier and will be susceptible to Chelsea, the Manchesters and Arsenal prowling for any burgeoning stars they produce. Spurs will need to find a manager to break their ''nearly there'' mantra.

As I pointed out, they don't need to spend 100 million out of their own pockets. It can be supplemented by players exiting. Nani, Young and RVP will find homes readily. At low prices, but it isn't hard to fathom 30 million for all three, possibly more thanks to RVP. They were rumoured to have matched Madrid's price for Bale, so they are clearly wiling to pay up for quality. 100 million for 3 players offset by 30 coming in and possibly a Kagawa-swap lightening a potential Reus fee, suddenly you are not breaking the bank.

As for the complaints about training stemming from the likes of Evra, Ferdinand and RVP, who in fairness are older players, this may explain why;

STUCK IN THE SAND
Inevitably, there will be sessions in the first week that stretch you to the absolute limit of your physical capabilities — and I can assure you that being plunged into a freezing river in the Austrian Alps is one of those things. We had that ‘pleasure’ yesterday.

You will have heard stories of players running so much that they end up being sick and I can confirm they are true. I have seen it happen. Perhaps the funniest incident I’ve ever witnessed was a couple of years ago with Everton in St Andrews Bay. David Moyes enjoys making us run up sand dunes until we are at a standstill but, for one of my team-mates, it all became too much.

His legs buckled on one descent and he went head first into the sand. As you can imagine, there was uproar among those who were watching. The man in question, though, did not find it funny and he wanted to let the manager know.

Unfortunately for him, his head had gone that far underground that when he came to speak his mind, all that ended up coming out was a mouthful of sand.

THE HORSE SHOE
There is one session that David Moyes puts on for Everton’s squad which still puts the fear of God up me. Every year you know it is coming but there is nothing you can do about it.

As was the case when he told us to follow the fitness coaches into the river, the manager takes great pleasure in seeing how much it makes the players squirm. Basically ‘the horse shoe’ is a series of sharp runs that cover distances between 100metres and 300m and there is barely any time to catch your breath in between.

By the time you are on your eighth sprint, your legs feel like jelly and buckle, while your lungs are burning. The manager, meanwhile, simply laughs as you collapse. It feels like torture but it clearly pays off as we take pride at Everton in the fact no team will ever out-run us during the season. - Phil Neville
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Maybe it is too archaic for preened European heavyweights, I dunno, so that could one of the reasons as to why they were/are upset.
 
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thestaggy said:
As I pointed out, they don't need to spend 100 million out of their own pockets. It can be supplemented by players exiting. Nani, Young and RVP will find homes readily. At low prices, but it isn't hard to fathom 30 million for all three, possibly more thanks to RVP. They were rumoured to have matched Madrid's price for Bale. 100 million for 3 players offset by 30 coming in and possibly a Kagawa-swap lightening a potential Reus fee, suddenly you are not breaking the bank.
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How will RvP readily find a new club to play for? He is on super high wages, injury prone and getting old.

Don't see how the clubs that can afford to pay his current wages would want to sign him. Equation changes if he takes a pay cut though.
 
hawker said:
How will RvP readily find a new club to play for? He is on super high wages, injury prone and getting old.

Don't see how the clubs that can afford to pay his current wages would want to sign him. Equation changes if he takes a pay cut though.
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The injuries this season will be a worry, yes, but he's netted 67 goals in his last 94 league games, so he's at his peak football wise. Ibramhimovic doesn't have the injury concerns, but he is older and has never battled to find suitors. He's also not the easiest person to work with.

And if the rumours are true about him not seeing eye-to-eye with Moyes, he could take a wage cut to get out.
 
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Manchester United confident of securing Southampton left-back Luke Shaw for £30m
Mark Ogden - (usually reliable)

Manchester United are aiming to secure a £30 million deal for Southampton defender Luke Shaw before the World Cup after moving ahead of Chelsea in the race to sign the teenager.
With club scouts also being *dispatched to watch Borussia Dortmund midfielder Marco Reus during Saturday’s 3-0 victory against Bayern Munich at the Allianz Arena, United are intensifying their efforts to bolster their squad following David Moyes’s disastrous first season in charge.
Although Moyes’s future as manager remains in doubt, United are pressing ahead with attempts to recruit the players the Scot has identified as key targets. And United are confident of being able to persuade Southampton left-back Shaw to reject Chelsea, whom he supported as a boy, in favour of a move to Old *Trafford to replace Patrice Evra.
While Chelsea remain determined to sign the England defender, Shaw is understood to be concerned by a possible lack of regular football at Stamford Bridge due to the impressive form of César Azpilicueta and with Ashley Cole expected to sign a one-year contract extension to remain at the club.
Evra’s anticipated departure from Old Trafford this summer, however, has left United in pressing need of a first-choice left-back and, at 18, Shaw is viewed as having the potential to fill the *position for the next decade.

Southampton have publicly insisted they have no need to sell any of Mauricio Pochettino’s squad, with England midfielder Adam Lallana and Croatian defender Dejan Lovren also attracting interest from rival clubs.
But United believe that a deal can be struck for Shaw, with executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward attempting to complete at least one incoming transfer before the World Cup begins in Brazil in June.
A deal is understood to be close for Sporting Lisbon midfielder William Carvalho, but beating Chelsea to Shaw would be regarded as a statement of intent by United at the end of a campaign in which they have surrendered the league title and missed out on Champions League qualification for the first time in 19 years.
Attempts to persuade Bayern Munich to sell Germany midfielder Toni Kroos have yet to bear fruit, with United fearing that the European champions will thrash out a new contract for the 24-year-old.
But there is a belief that Reus could be tempted from Dortmund, despite the player’s escape clause at the Westfalenstadion not due to come into effect until the end of next season.
With uncertainty surrounding the future of Dortmund coach Jürgen Klopp and Poland forward Robert Lewandowski announcing his decision to follow former team-mate Mario Götze to Bayern this summer, there is a sense that the Bundesliga outfit would be ready to do business with Reus to help fund a rebuilding programme.
Dortmund midfielder Ilkay *Gundogan, who was a United target, on Tuesday committed his future to the Bundesliga club by signing a new contract until 2016, however.
United’s owners, the Glazer family, are ready to embark on an unprecedented summer of spending to renew a squad which will lose several key figures at the end of the season.
Captain Nemanja Vidic has already announced his decision to sign a two-year contract at Inter Milan, while Evra, Rio Ferdinand, Ryan Giggs, Javier Hernández and Shinji Kagawa are all expected to be moved on.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-Southampton-left-back-Luke-Shaw-for-30m.html
 
Luke Shaw will be a great signing....Just hope a big money transfer doesnt mess the lads career.


He should stay a few more years IMO.
 
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