Official Tri-Nations 2009 Thread

[LancelotSA]

Actually he scored the most points by any player in a Tri-Nations game if I remember correctly. Pretty difficult to do that without a good performance, no?

No, not difficult at all. He was the kicker. If (actually not if, as it was the case) the other 14 players get us into a position where the All Blacks give away a penalty then all he needs to do is kick them over. Again just proves what I have been saying. He kicks well.

If someone gets 11 penalties over from right in front of the posts next week to beat this record would that automatically make it the greatest ever performance by a Springbok flyhalf?

You seem to forget that he scored a try as well (converted as well).

8 converted penalties and a converted try, breaking 3 records. Sheesh, what a poor performance

No, I haven't forgotten at all. It was mentioned by myself earlier before being buried by Blixem's Morne chants. No need to rehash it. It was a forward effort that resulted in the try.

Great KICKING performance, yes. [Rolls eyes repeatedly!]

 

[I am Penguin]

Now this is a Sharks supporter who's open to the notion that maybe non-Sharks players can have good games as well it seems.

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I'm . I thought it was a Springbok's game (The real true old Springbok game we used to know under these conditions) I saw no Sharks or Bulls today .

Anyway Bakkies? what a powerhouse! When he was send off the scrum nearly got demolished (Thanks to Smith+ we survived). When he returned the scrum demolished the AB's again. One man such power?

 

[The_Techie]

No, not difficult at all. He was the kicker. If (actually not if, as it was the case) the other 14 players get us into a position where the All Blacks give away a penalty then all he needs to do is kick them over. Again just proves what I have been saying. He kicks well.

If someone gets 11 penalties over from right in front of the posts next week to beat this record would that automatically make it the greatest ever performance by a Springbok flyhalf?

As I said earlier, performance does not necessarily equal points. I wouldn't say 11 easy kicks equates to the greatest performance either. But converting 8 not-all-easy penalties, scoring the only Springbok try of the game and converting it as well does not equate to a bad performance either, unless you are using entirely different parameters for performance than the rest of us (or maybe just me ).

No, I haven't forgotten at all. It was mentioned by myself earlier before being buried by Blixem's Morne chants.

Great KICKING performance, yes. [Rolls eyes repeatedly!]

Certainly a great kicking performance, no argument there. My argument is that he did more things correctly than just convert penalties, as he scored the only try of the game from the Springboks.

I'm . I thought it was a Springbok's game (The real true old Springbok game we used to know under these conditions) I saw no Sharks or Bulls today .

Indeed, but you seem to be open to the notion of good performances from players from other provincial sides for which I applaud you.

Anyway Bakkies? what a powerhouse! When he was send off the scrum nearly got demolished (Thanks to Smith+ we survived). When he returned the scrum demolished the AB's again. One man such power?

Great game by Bakkies!

 

[StbA]

Wow, typically South African, we win but still have something to bitch and moan about.

 

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

PdV (retard) was forced by injury to use Steyn in the starting line-up. Maybe he has seen the light today.

I can only hope for the sharkie supporters maybe their moment of enlightenment is upon them.

I'm a Sharks supporter but when it comes to the national side I have no provincial loyalties. In wet conditions Steyn does seem to be better than Pienaar but in dry conditions, assuming we can give the goal kicking abilities to someone else Pienaar is the better choice. As for PdV, I was also a critic but a (Good) Lions series and two AB thumpings and I'm coming around to his coaching skills. I still believe he should not be allowed within 100 metres of a microphone though. I wonder how well Steyn will do on the road though, any ideas?

 

[I am Penguin]

Certainly a great kicking performance, no argument there. My argument is that he did more things correctly than just convert penalties, as he scored the only try of the game from the Springboks.

His positioning play was excelent too, seems some do not realise that is part and parcel of his job.

 

[The_Techie]

His positioning play was excelent too, seems some do not realise that is part and parcel of his job.

I hate doing this, but +1

All in all I believe a great game by the Springboks, especially Morne Steyn and Jaque Fourie.

 

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

Also, the national coach has more responsibilities than saying whether M. Steyn plays or not.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Most of the starting 15 get a healthy 9/10 ........ the two that get say, a 7/10 are Jean DV and Juan Smith. JDV just hasn't got the same flair that he used to have. It freaks me out that according to the coaching staff, his only replacement is W Olivier though As for Juan, bleh, he's just a 98% of the time a doff/selfish player. I was glad that Roussouw replaced him .... pity it wasn't sooner.

 

[The_Techie]

Most of the starting 15 get a healthy 9/10 ........ the two that get say, a 7/10 are Jean DV and Juan Smith. JDV just hasn't got the same flair that he used to have. It freaks me out that according to the coaching staff, his only replacement is W Olivier though As for Juan, bleh, he's just a 98% of the time a doff/selfish player. I was glad that Roussouw replaced him .... pity it wasn't sooner.

Who would be your nomination as a replacement for Jean de Villiers?

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

That's the thing, the only guy that comes to mind is Riaan Swanepoel but he needs more game experience.

 

[The_Techie]

That's the thing, the only guy that comes to mind is Riaan Swanepoel but he needs more game experience.

What happened to Brad Barrit? I seem to recall him being on great form a while ago.

 

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

Most of the starting 15 get a healthy 9/10 ........ the two that get say, a 7/10 are Jean DV and Juan Smith. JDV just hasn't got the same flair that he used to have. It freaks me out that according to the coaching staff, his only replacement is W Olivier though As for Juan, bleh, he's just a 98% of the time a doff/selfish player. I was glad that Roussouw replaced him .... pity it wasn't sooner.

I'd like to defend Juan, the guy is a workhorse, he doesn't make mistakes. He pitches up and just does a non-flashy good job every game. Not everyone needs to be a gloryhound. As for de Villers, the opposition have lesrned that they can't afford to give him an inch.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

He moved overseas a while back already ... he came back to the Sharks to lend a helping hand and then he ducked again.

 

[Zyzzyva]

Ignoring the weather today the team is working very well playing this forwards/no backs game plan.

Pienaar definitely gives us more attacking edge, but for now im gonna agree with naas and say you pick your kicker first. The amount of penalties we are forcing other teams to make through our pressure is very high at the moment, and so kicking all our kicks will mean a very high win ratio.

Now you could argue our attack talent may be getting wasted, but the truth of the matter is our coaching staff and players don't quite seem to have the attacking tactics down. The coaching staff's success with this style of game plan is much higher than their attacking game plan evidenced thus far.

I just think the way to go with our particular player set and history is to slowly construct an attack game on top of a conservative game plan. If we don;t, then we will continue to blow either luke warm or fiery hot.

So for now play the conservative but dependable steyn, and then slowly add some spice to his game. He interestingly is a mini version of the whole team.

I'm not saying Pienaar should not be groomed, but right now its time for steyn. I'd like pienaar to work hard and become the better player, eventually unseating steyn.

 

[The_Techie]

He moved overseas a while back already ... he came back to the Sharks to lend a helping hand and then he ducked again.

Ah, pity

Bah, then get Stefan Terreblanche at fullback with Francois Steyn being a replacement utility back I'd say.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

I'd like to defend Juan, the guy is a workhorse, he doesn't make mistakes. He pitches up and just does a non-flashy good job every game. Not everyone needs to be a gloryhound. As for de Villers, the opposition have lesrned that they can't afford to give him an inch.

there is a huge difference between being a gloryhound and being too doff to pass when it's on or knocking it on constantly.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Ah, pity

Bah, then get Stefan Terreblanche at fullback with Francois Steyn being a replacement utility back I'd say.

That's another catch22 .... I think Frans being put at 15 has done his game wonders but I also think Stefan is playing some wicked fullback play atm. So ja

 

[The_Techie]

That's another catch22 .... I think Frans being put at 15 has done his game wonders but I also think Stefan is playing some wicked fullback play atm. So ja

Sigh, we need more quality centres in this country

Olivier isn't bad, but he's a bit selfish in passing the ball...

 

[LancelotSA]

I'd like to defend Juan, the guy is a workhorse, he doesn't make mistakes. He pitches up and just does a non-flashy good job every game. Not everyone needs to be a gloryhound. As for de Villers, the opposition have lesrned that they can't afford to give him an inch.

You have raised two extremely valid points that others tend to miss. You need the guys in the team that do the hard slog. The ones who put in 20+ tackles in a match and clear the rucks and mauls. Unfortunately these same guys will hardly ever get the man of the match award but are essential to the game. Also the guys who take the ball up and draw defenders. Without them those spaces outside just won't appear.

Juan fits the former role and Jean the latter.