Official Tri-Nations 2009 Thread

[LancelotSA]

Since there has been little in the press in Oz about the Giteau incident I emailed one of the leading writers to ask what he thought about the inconsistency between Botha/Burger(WC)/Giteau incidents.

He replied saying that the Botha incident is vastly different from Giteau because the former resulted in a bad injury which then is automatically reckless and subject to ban, whereas Du Preez was 'just shaken up'.

Not sure who this "leading writer" is but he is talking total cr@p! There is absolutely nothing in the rules of rugby that allows one to differentiate the punishment metered out dependant on the injury suffered by the victim.

The fact of the matter is that Giteau was not even cited! If he had been, and "justice" had run it's course, then it would not have left as bad a taste as it has.

It makes even more of a farce of the fact that at the same time SARU are being hauled over the coals for the Springbok response to what they thought was unjust punishment!

 

[OzzieCapie]

Not sure who this "leading writer" is but he is talking total cr@p! There is absolutely nothing in the rules of rugby that allows one to differentiate the punishment metered out dependant on the injury suffered by the victim.

Writer SZ.

I think what he meant was not differentiation in punishment, but that with a bad injury (broken arm??) there is an automatic citing.

There was no automatic citing for Giteau under those circumstances...up to the appropriate people to do the citing.

Hence my question to him whether 'intent' counted for nothing.

cheers

edit: if you can find that the regulations do not prescribe the above relating please let me know and I will send him another email....and do we know if SA referred him to the citing officer, if they didn't then the argument is moot.

 

[HypoThesis]

Now the Aussies are clutching at straws...

http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/news/boks-profit-from-british-refs/2009/08/10/1249756257247.html

The success of the Springboks' attritional, rugby football style of play was helped by the referee, Irishman Alain Rolland. The penalties given against the Wallabies were justified, although he was unduly harsh with his yellow card to Richard Brown, who got his timing wrong after making a tackle. The problem was that infringements by the Springboks weren't penalised. George Smith, as acting captain, made this point to Rolland after the Wallabies were penalised late in the match for coming in from the side. Smith made the (valid) point that Heinrich Brussow had sealed off the ball for the Springboks by lying over it, forcing the Wallabies' offence.

Eish!

 

[killadoob]

Ya screw them i hope we clobber them on their own turf!!!!!!!!!!

 

[sand_man]

Now the Aussies are clutching at straws...

http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/news/boks-profit-from-british-refs/2009/08/10/1249756257247.html



Eish!

So ducking typical of the Ozzies!!! When they get beaten at their own game they cry foul!!!! George Smith is one of the worlds greatest exponents of "sealing off the ball", it is such a vague term at the best of times, what the duck does it actually mean??!!!

If the player is on his feet in an on side position then he is entitled to get the ball off the tackled man on the ground. If a situation arises where the man trying to steal the ball is sealing off the ball, surely the man on the ground is not releasing the ball??!!!!

Ducking rugby becoming more and more ambiguous by the day in terms of what's deemed legal/illegal...

 

[HypoThesis]

So ducking typical of the Ozzies!!! When they get beaten at their own game they cry foul!!!! George Smith is one of the worlds greatest exponents of "sealing off the ball", it is such a vague term at the best of times, what the duck does it actually mean??!!!

If the player is on his feet in an on side position then he is entitled to get the ball off the tackled man on the ground. If a situation arises where the man trying to steal the ball is sealing off the ball, surely the man on the ground is not releasing the ball??!!!!

Ducking rugby becoming more and more ambiguous by the day in terms of what's deemed legal/illegal...

Funny thing is, most of that talk comes from the commentators. Smart pro players (read: Aussies) will milk it to death.

If a player falls over and is on the wrong side and due to this the opposition can't get to the ball then fair enough but that's "not rolling away" or even "off-side" isn't it? If he keeps his hands on the ball it's "handling on the ground" etc etc. lol.

I think they're just annoyed that instead of bashing them like Schalk and playing according to what they're used to getting from Bok play we have the nerve to actually steal the ball at ruck time with Brussow

 

[I am Penguin]

Now the Aussies are clutching at straws...

http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/news/boks-profit-from-british-refs/2009/08/10/1249756257247.html



Eish!

Real sheep shagger blogging I see. INSTEAD OF ASKING WHY THE OZ COULD NOT PLAY REAL RUGBY, they find excuses and discuss/FAULT our tactics/game. They had ample time and space to run the ball when we kicked the possesion away (I hate when they do that) but yet they could not penetrate our goal area but for once after a FS/RP replacement.

 

[Gothan]

Now we'll just have to beat the ozzies in oz land, but then they'll probably also have an excuse, probably something like frigid sheep or some such

 

[LancelotSA]

They had ample time and space to run the ball when we kicked the possesion away (I hate when they do that) but yet they could not penetrate our goal area but for once after a FS/RP replacement.

You see how you guys just can't resist and you wonder why some of us feel the need to constantly correct you!

You'll find if you actually watched the game with the blinkers off that the Australians breached our line very early in the game when Ruan Pienaar was still getting comfortable on the bench! Further to this when Giteau did cross the line, in the incident you refer to, Morne was standing playing traffic cop..... but perhaps let's keep this sort of discussionto the Morne vs Ruan thread and not try to drop little comments like this in other threads.

 

[I am Penguin]

You see how you guys just can't resist and you wonder why some of us feel the need to constantly correct you!

You'll find if you actually watched the game with the blinkers off that the Australians breached our line very early in the game when Ruan Pienaar was still getting comfortable on the bench! Further to this when Giteau did cross the line, in the incident you refer to, Morne was standing playing traffic cop..... but perhaps let's keep this sort of discussionto the Morne vs Ruan thread and not try to drop little comments like this in other threads.

This thread is about the Tri-Nations and the two games that Morne' proved that he is above and beyond anything Ruaan ever was or will be in future is part and parcel of the current Tri -Nations epic saga. Thus i will discuss and refer about any player that are currently playing in the tri-Nations and specifically if they are one of the top performers in this series.

So perhaps you should stay in your RP fan thread and protect the little stature/status he (RP) has left as you are the only guy here trying to defend his waning ego, leave this thread to the grownups that knows something about rugby and stop harping on and on about the "BAD" performance of MS and why YOU think he should be dropped on account of RP which so far did not show up to the game in this Tri-Nations series. He had his chance and spilled it, BADLY by kicking like a drunk donkey. HiHo.

 

[Ou grote]

You guys got nothing better to do until the next game?

Long wait....

 

[killadoob]

You see how you guys just can't resist and you wonder why some of us feel the need to constantly correct you!

You'll find if you actually watched the game with the blinkers off that the Australians breached our line very early in the game when Ruan Pienaar was still getting comfortable on the bench! Further to this when Giteau did cross the line, in the incident you refer to, Morne was standing playing traffic cop..... but perhaps let's keep this sort of discussionto the Morne vs Ruan thread and not try to drop little comments like this in other threads.

Shame is all i have to say about lance

I will bet lance is the only SA not to cheer when morne hits a penalty/conversion.

 

[capetownguy]

the two games that Morne' proved that he is above and beyond anything Ruaan ever was or will be in future

wtf are you people smoking? do share

 

[I am Penguin]

wtf are you people smoking? do share

Sure! Something I ordered from the Cape! Grapeweed they say. Mixed with the contents of a papsak (p*****wyn) it goes down well when watching RP kick lately

PS: I have nothing against RP, I just do not like the way some *** drag down MS after excelent performances in this series. RP will have to prove his worth!

 

[killadoob]

I think people who think ruan should start must be tik/heroine addicts because the drugs have damaged your brain

 

[Devill]

You guys got nothing better to do until the next game?

Long wait....

I want us to play this weekend!

Going to be sooooooo long a wait till we play again

 

[Ou grote]

Shame, they can't even win fights against each other.

Wonder how many penalties Carter will kick in the next game.

Tempers fray in Wallabies camp
2009-08-13 11:01Email | Print
James O'Connor (File)

Sydney - Tensions almost boiled over in the Wallabies camp on Thursday when teenage fullback James O'Connor and flanker Phil Waugh squared off during a rugged training session.

There were no punches thrown but the pair had to be separated by team-mates after shaping up to each other while preparing for next week's Tri-Nations Test against New Zealand.

"It's good, we're getting pretty competitive and I don't think either of us wanted to back down. It was all in good fun," O'Connor told reporters.

"Our approach is, we've got to bring a bit more mongrel to the game and step up our physicality. That's what we brought to training on Thursday and it was pretty intense."

Australia coach Robbie Deans, who has vowed to start wielding the axe after his team lost both their opening matches away to New Zealand and South Africa, welcomed the confrontation.

"The fact it's a bit testy at training's not a bad thing, because it'll be no holds barred come game time," Deans said.

There was better news for the Wallabies at Thursday's training when openside flanker Rocky Elsom completed his first full session of the year.

Elsom has been sidelined all season because of a niggling knee problem but is expected to make his comeback against the All Blacks when they lock horns at Sydney's Olympic stadium on Aug. 22.

"It has been quite frustrating for him. It was a significant injury," Deans said.

"It was more complex and sinister than was first thought. But he's now back out there and enjoying being back out there.

"He's very confident at the moment, so as long as there's no setback between now and next week I'd imagine we'd be considering him."

Deans also expects flyhalf Matt Giteau to play despite suffering a leg injury in last weekend's loss to the Springboks in Cape Town.

New South Wales flyhalf Kurtley Beale was called into the squad as cover for Giteau but Deans said there was no real concern over his first-choice number 10.

"He has just got a corked thigh. It's just preventative," Deans said.

 

[Devill]

Hope the Aussies and Kiwis don't "win" the tri-nations for us. I rather hope they make it as hard as possible so we can show the world this isn't a lucky team but a great one.

 

[waynegohl]

was there a game on today between the aussies and the all blacks?

 

[The_Pumpkin_King]

was there a game on today between the aussies and the all blacks?

next week. i also made that mistake