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Official Tri-Nations 2009 Thread
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semiautomatix
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I cant believe the garbage i have to read in this thread. Deans is a Flippen SUPER HERO of a coach suddenly after winning one game in the Tri Nations. 
PDV is a loser/brainless coach because he lost one game in the Tri Nations.
I hate fake supporters.
PDV is a loser/brainless coach because he lost one game in the Tri Nations.
I hate fake supporters.
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I cant believe the garbage i have to read in this thread. Deans is a Flippen SUPER HERO of a coach suddenly after winning one game in the Tri Nations.
PDV is a loser/brainless coach because he lost one game in the Tri Nations.
I hate fake supporters.
It must be very difficult hating oneself then.
Its what and HOW Deans achieved the won that counts, In one week he went from a weak losing team to one that THRASHED the champs. NOT by fluke but by introducing the changes required to make it happen.
The fact is technically PDV is out of his league (Confirmed by captain Smith), but you wont understand that would you. He seems a good manager (When his mouth is shut) and the team likes him for that but then that would not make him the best YET because we win matches when the other teams are not on strengh. We should and could have win yesterday but we did not, simply because PDV could not realise during the second half of the previous match that we are found wanting. Deans saw it and made the changes required to give us a thrashing. Now who was the best coach then?
I hope the same would not be repeated next week. That all depends on PDV.
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Good Life
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good points!
sand_man
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Sorry, got to disagree with you. If Deans were such a genius OZ wouldn't be last would they?
You say PDV is technically out of his league as confirmed by Smit but Smit was comparing him to Jake White, probably the most astute technical coach in world rugby. Smit also went on to say PDV is better in some regards.
You go on about how we should have won yesterday. We should win every week yes but surely you realize in international sport that is impossible. Sure OZ and NZ are not at full strength but injuries are an intrinsic element of the sport. No international team fields there 1st XV consistently week after week season after season.
Anyway speaking for myself as a proud South African, I will support the coach and team regardless of the results. Yes I hate losing and want to win every week but we've won 4/5 tri-nation games, won the world cup twice, won the super14, won the 7's world championship, beaten the Lions for the 1st time in over 20 years. What's there not to celebrate??!!!
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
I cant believe the garbage i have to read in this thread. Deans is a Flippen SUPER HERO of a coach suddenly after winning one game in the Tri Nations.
PDV is a loser/brainless coach because he lost one game in the Tri Nations.
I hate fake supporters.
It must be hard to be that angry all the time.
Deans has started something and I'm sure he intends to finish it. If we don't adapt, we will fail in the future. New Zealand are probably intently studying this game and if we attempt to play against them in the same was we did Australia we may just lose the Trinations.
If you can't understand this then you'll be setting yourself up for disappointment.
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
Would you, would you really? Did you support Andre Markgraaf to the hilt when he pulled apart and destroyed one of the best Bok teams we've ever seen?
Sometimes you need to admit that the coach is wrong (I'm not saying this is one of those times); but you can't just blindly accept things because I can guarantee you that neither Australia nor New Zealand do. You're playing with the big boys now, wearing your heart on your sleeve will only get you so far.
sand_man
Honorary Master
Now if ever there was a man ill equipped with the people skills to manage and coach the Boks he was it. Did I ever stop supporting the Boks because of it?!?!! Not a duck!!!
Quite the contrary. Graham Henry, the current AB coach is the same one that coached them to an embarrassing quarter final exit from the 2007 World cup..
What you need to blindly accept are the facts, we ARE ranked 1 in the world, we WON a test series against the British Lions, we WILL win the tri-nations...
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
No, no, no, no, no. That's not what you said! I would never stop supporting the Boks either, but:
Which you've just proven to me to be wrong. As I said, I still support de Villiers, but I merely think he's done an okay job. My belief that Div is not the bestest best coach ever ever (ever) and my support are not exclusive.
Lets us wait and see what happens in New Zealand before we make premature comments. I want us to win, but if we pitch up with the same blind optimism of yesterday we're going to be hurt.
sand_man
Honorary Master
Boet you can't be supporting the Boks but not the coach?
I mean if SARU were to say to John Smit we support you alll the way but have no confidence in the coach....
So while I may not have believed Markgraff was the best man for the job I still supported the Boks and by definition that includes the coaching staff..
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
Er... yes you can. Once again, supporting the Boks and supporting the coach aren't exclusive.
If your argument were really the case then Markgraff might still be coach. When SARU no longer supports the coach, well, they fire them. Or do you believe this never happens, that would be quite naive.
When there is a huge outcry about the coach and that the he is messing up the entire team, is the country suddenly a bunch of traitors for wanting to see their team be the best they can be?
I'm sorry, but your argument is flawed and supporting the team does not, by extension, mean supporting the coaching of that team (nor the management, or some individual players).
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sand_man
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fair enough...
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
On the flip side, no one could ever be as bad as Markgraff - which gives every coach in the last 10 years a good headstart
sand_man
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haha, Indeed and he was given 2 bites at the cherry!!!!On the flip side, no one could ever be as bad as Markgraff - which gives every coach in the last 10 years a good headstart
Dude, give me a break! Do you actually believe your post?
Dean's team is laying at the bottom of the log. You critisize PDV for not making correct changes but you forget the changes Deans made in the two matches against NZ.
Both games they should have won, both games they were leading but failed to win. How come you dont blame Dean's for these errors?
Why not blame the Bok team for thinking all they needed to do was get one point yesterday? Why not blame the hunger of the team? Instead you label everything PDV's fault.
We are number 1 in the world. We are going to win the Tri-Nations. Henry and Dean's has said on numerous occasions that the Boks are the best team in the world.
Thats enough for me. It must be sad if you always this angry about the Bok team. When we win, its not good enough. When we lose, its not good enough.
As much as I would love to blame our coach, sorry, I just can't. They played horrible, the number of knock-ons and balls lost in a tackle was astronomical. Can't really blame the coach for that.
We just could not break through, and its close to impossible to score tries if you never get beyond the opponents 22.
I think we went in with the wrong mental state, we weren't ready for what the ozzies threw at us, we wanted our one point minimum and that was the wrong state to be in.
I for one did not enjoy habanas play, he saved two tries but he also could not catch the ball with the try line open to him, but oh well, no use in crying over spilled milk, time to look to next weeks game.
To make me feel better, I will firmly believe that politics was involved and they wanted ticket sales not to drop for the last game if we won on saturday, yes thats it, makes me feel a bit better
We just could not break through, and its close to impossible to score tries if you never get beyond the opponents 22.
I think we went in with the wrong mental state, we weren't ready for what the ozzies threw at us, we wanted our one point minimum and that was the wrong state to be in.
I for one did not enjoy habanas play, he saved two tries but he also could not catch the ball with the try line open to him, but oh well, no use in crying over spilled milk, time to look to next weeks game.
To make me feel better, I will firmly believe that politics was involved and they wanted ticket sales not to drop for the last game if we won on saturday, yes thats it, makes me feel a bit better
killadoob
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No i do blame the coach for our loss because we seemed to go there wanting a bonus point and not a win.
We kicked far to much and very poorly, we should have run at them like last week.
Does that mean the coach must get fired? F no, we had to lose a game. It is near impossible to win 3 away games in the tri nations, so we forget this week, pick ourselves up and concentrate on winning the next game. No point harping on a loss, we have won 4 out of 5 games against the best in the world and we are on the verge of a tri nations win.
Go Bokke!!!!!!!!!!
We kicked far to much and very poorly, we should have run at them like last week.
Does that mean the coach must get fired? F no, we had to lose a game. It is near impossible to win 3 away games in the tri nations, so we forget this week, pick ourselves up and concentrate on winning the next game. No point harping on a loss, we have won 4 out of 5 games against the best in the world and we are on the verge of a tri nations win.
Go Bokke!!!!!!!!!!