Ongoing Palestinian terror attacks against Israel.

Fudzy said:
It IS important to get both sides of the story, do you ever see news from Palestinian outlets published? What about the scores of documented cases against IDF? www.breakingthesilence.org.il/
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not relevant.
especially as many of the stories from "breaking the silence" have been debunked
But that is a different topic.

what is relevant is that when the wife of one of the murdered men who was also stabbed, begged for help, was spat on. What does the palestinian outlets have to say about that?
 
daveza said:
As for Temple Mount, have they ever thought of .... sharing their toy like adults ?
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Erm, that is the issue, the backbone of the current attacks. the muslims don't want to share what was originally the Jewish temple site. They have claimed it as muslim, and thats that.
 
Fudzy said:
It IS important to get both sides of the story, do you ever see news from Palestinian outlets published? What about the scores of documented cases against IDF? www.breakingthesilence.org.il/
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See, by saying things like that.. you are in effect saying that we must look at the horrific acts of these animals trying to kill innocent people, against the backdrop of other facts... which in effect is trying to justify the murder of innocent civilians.. see?
 
lived666 said:
not relevant.
especially as many of the stories from "breaking the silence" have been debunked
But that is a different topic.

what is relevant is that when the wife of one of the murdered men who was also stabbed, begged for help, was spat on. What does the palestinian outlets have to say about that?
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That is sad and in my eyes SUB HUMAN behaviour! Then there are people defending this rubbish?
 
TheJman said:
See, by saying things like that.. you are in effect saying that we must look at the horrific acts of these animals trying to kill innocent people, against the backdrop of other facts... which in effect is trying to justify the murder of innocent civilians.. see?
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That would be adopting a one sided view, no?
 
daveza said:
Nope and never will.

Does that prevent me from asking the question ?
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His question is legit, the muslim wont share. They would rather go on a killing spree than have a jew pray on the temple mount.
I have been btw, the vibe is iffy, all across the old city. I would have to go to PD to elaborate though why.
 
daveza said:
Nope and never will.

Does that prevent me from asking the question ?
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What it prevents you from doing, is making comments about things that then show that you don't have knowledge of the present facts...

The arab security forces run the Temple Mount, they in fact decide when and how many tourists can come onto the Temple Mount at anytime... In addition, they strictly ensure that no Jew can pray on the Temple Mount and they often call Israeli Police to remove people who they believe are praying on the Temple Mount (that are not muslim)... The problem that Israel often encounters is that arabs go up onto the Temple Mount and then use it as a staging ground to attack Jews, at the Western Wall for example ... so in an attempt to stop terrorists from doing so, they impose an age limit to arab visitors to the Temple Mount... now you may ask, "you said that Israel doesn't patrol on the Temple Mount"... correct, but they control access to the Temple Mount in an attempt to stop attacks
 
Seriously said:
The crux of the whole matter. Perceptions!

Like the post below. My perception is that the poster "justifies" the actions by suggesting the Palestines are unable to live due to the Israelis actions yet easily ignore the Palestinian actions who chose themselves the way they live. i.e NOT IN PEACE with Israel.

Perceptions, Perceptions!

I agree this will NEVER be solved as the ARAB hate is to deep entrenched!
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Everyone hates being treated like animals. Treating someone like an animal and then checking to see if they hate it will return a positive result every time. It's a blatantly obvious pavlovian trigger, and fear-mongering politicians provoke it in other people all the time.

By buying into the bull**** that there's some kind of racial hatred that is deeply entrenched here when the majority of the chaotic violence, which has mostly occurred after the occupation started, is a direct result of the occupation itself denying the Palestinians their basic human rights. You are literally blaming them for being human, and it's retarded. Like all animals trapped in a cage, they rage against the bars that keep them trapped. Psychology 101.

Note that I am not blaming the Zionists for wanting to form a common identity; the problem is that they believe they can do this while at the same time trampling on the identities of others. This has never been a reasonable proposition, ever. History shows it fails every single time. Perhaps it's time to stop repeating the mistakes of the past and to actually absorb a bit of wisdom into our collective global culture.
 
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TheJman said:
What it prevents you from doing, is making comments about things that then show that you don't have knowledge of the present facts...

The arab security forces run the Temple Mount, they in fact decide when and how many tourists can come onto the Temple Mount at anytime... In addition, they strictly ensure that no Jew can pray on the Temple Mount and they often call Israeli Police to remove people who they believe are praying on the Temple Mount (that are not muslim)... The problem that Israel often encounters is that arabs go up onto the Temple Mount and then use it as a staging ground to attack Jews, at the Western Wall for example ... so in an attempt to stop terrorists from doing so, they impose an age limit to arab visitors to the Temple Mount... now you may ask, "you said that Israel doesn't patrol on the Temple Mount"... correct, but they control access to the Temple Mount in an attempt to stop attacks
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Fine - now I am enlightened thank you.
 
Xarog said:
Everyone hates being treated like animals. Treating someone like an animal and then checking to see if they hate it will return a positive result every time. It's a blatantly obvious pavlovian trigger, and fear-mongering politicians provoke it in other people all the time. By buying into the bull**** that there's some kind of racial hatred that is deeply entrenched here when the majority of the chaotic violence has occurred after the occupation started is a direct result of the occupation itself denying the Palestinians their basic human rights. And like all animals trapped in a cage, they rage against the bars that keep them trapped. Psychology 101.

You are literally blaming them for being human, and it's retarded.

Note that I am not blaming the Zionists for wanting to form a common identity; the problem is that they believe they can do this while at the same time trampling on the identities of others. This has never been a reasonable proposition, ever. History shows it fails every single time. Perhaps it's time to stop repeating the mistakes of the past and to actually absorb a bit of wisdom into our collective global culture.
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Again they chose to live like that due to their actions over many years. I feel little for them or maybe at least as much as I feel for the inmates of Pollsmoor. They can or could have chosen a different life, in peace with Israel, but they wont as they want Israel anihilated and Israel will never allow them to become strong enough to attack them with advanced weapons as that is what they WILL do!

Anyway. I am so glad that I was right and actually expected you came here to defend these actions by giving historical excuses for their entrenched hate of Israel and the Jews or Zionist as you agenda compels you to do.
 
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Seriously said:
Again they chose to live like that due to their actions over many years.
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Show me one person that ever accepts collective guilt for the sins of another. Where in history has this been a common phenomenon?

Who likes paying for the mistakes of others?


I feel little for them or maybe at least as much as I feel for the Inmates of Pollsmoor.
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Clearly.

They can or could have choose a different life, in peace with Israel, but they wont as they want Israel anihilated and Israel will never allow them to become strong enough to attack them with advanced weapons as that is what they WILL do!
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Sure, because Israel ever cared about the Palestinians. Even as far back as 1948 there were massacres by the Israeli forces on Palestinian civilians. Go read Uri Avnery's personal accounts if you find such a claim dubious.

People remember atrocities committed against them, and they react violently to future perceived events which they consider harbingers for similar atrocities. It's human nature, you are blaming them for being human. It is not in a man's nature to run away from his home just because someone in the area threatens him. It is not reasonable to blame a man for standing his ground to protect what he thinks his home is.
 
Fudzy said:
Hate speech and incitement, on camera. Now for a Mossad/IDF soldier to go in and take him out rather than flattening the neighbourhood he stays in, would be commendable.
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And yet Israel was condemned when it did targeted killings. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
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