Openweb 30Gb All access accounts

This is the only way we can offer a reduced price for 512k.

If we do not implement a speed into the equation, we would only have one product, at a more expensive rate.

Kloon said:
I would understand if it was an uncapped account, but for a capped account why do u limit users to speeds? 30gb is 30gb, 4mbps will just use it up faster thats all.
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lol.

Thanks openweb! Price is a bit to steep for me..

/me remembers the good old days of the 30gig accounts.. Nice and cheap..
 
We would like to get these accounts on their feet first. Once they prove to be a success, we will build more accounts around the concept.

crysis said:
Any plans on making a 4mb version?
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I'm really confused at the moment. :confused:

Why on earth do we pay MORE or less for the SAME AMOUNT of bandwidth depending on your line speed?!?!?!? Can someone PLEASE explain the logic in that?

I'm already paying a premium rate for my 4Mg line subscription and then various ISP's (not just Openweb) charge based on line speed as well?? Makes no sense...so I get punished/ripped off for having a faster line?!?!

It's like the petrol station charging me R2/L cause I drive a 1.3L Corsa Lite but then charge a 2.0L BMW driver R7/L cause the car is faster?!?! It's the SAME ingredients made with the SAME amount of effort!!!

We're just getting ripped off if you ask me!!
 
Look here, the normal cost of it is R1399, but if you have 512K, and sign up for the 512K one, then you are just saving. Openweb are kind, and let you pay less if you have slower broadband.
 
Chavez said:
I'm really confused at the moment. :confused:

Why on earth do we pay MORE or less for the SAME AMOUNT of bandwidth depending on your line speed?!?!?!? Can someone PLEASE explain the logic in that?
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This is where the confusion comes in.. your bandwidth is your line speed. For some reason (ok one reason, Telkom) we've mixed up 'monthly data transfer' and 'bandwidth'.

The reason uncapped accounts are priced differently is because of the difference in strain you place on the network according to the speed of your line. IMO, this is how things should be.

I'm already paying a premium rate for my 4Mg line subscription and then various ISP's (not just Openweb) charge based on line speed as well?? Makes no sense...so I get punished/ripped off for having a faster line?!?!

It's like the petrol station charging me R2/L cause I drive a 1.3L Corsa Lite but then charge a 2.0L BMW driver R7/L cause the car is faster?!?! It's the SAME ingredients made with the SAME amount of effort!!!
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Your analogy is a bit skewed. To put it more accurately, the "litres" of fuel (not the speed of the car) could be compared to a "megabit/sec" of line speed. Both are scarce commodities, we have to ration them.
My Corsa uses 6L an hour (my line uses 384k of bandwidth a second).
Your BMW uses 10L an hour (your line uses 1024k of bandwidth a second).

I will, therefore, cost more for you to run your BMW for an hour than it wud for me to run my corsa.

Same for your line..

It is rather confusing tho :confused: especially considering you are capped at 30gb. But it does make sense if you look at it from the perspective of how much strain you place on the network with your faster line
 
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I agree this Open Web Acc deal of 30GB for R 989.00 is generating a lot of interest however I am slightly confused concerning some of Mr Beeps information on the forum.

I phoned Openweb last night and spoke to one of the consultants as I am also very interested, my specific question was does this provide international an local acces via fibreoptic, the consultant needed to confer with the manager of the company of which was replied that this account uses the the IS Backbone fibreoptic and T1 line for local and international roaming.

However I read here that Mr Beep is of a different opinion of which he says the following in an earlier forum reply.

"This is a direct ADSL account that does not use a proxy server.

International runs over satellite bandwidth.

The accounts allow for 1 concurrent ADSL connection."

I raise it here purely because I respect the information that Mr Beep gives.

Could I please ask what is the correct information is it satellite or fibreoptic for international, for satellite has a higher latency and would affect gaming etc.

Many thanks
 
Turbo,

I don't agree with your analogy. I pay already pay more line rental for my faster line which should "cover" the "excessive" load I'll be putting on the network....BUT then the data I'm downloading now costs me more as well cause I have a faster line???

Even if it was an uncapped account I still have issues with the different pricing models based on line speed. My DSL line rental covers my choice of line speed and "strain" on the network and shouldn't be reflected in the cost of my data as well.

My analogy is spot on. Cheep car, expensive car...both owners are already paying different prices based on the individual costs of their vehicles. Then get charged separate prices for fuel based on engine capacity?!?!?
 
Chavez said:
Turbo,

I don't agree with your analogy. I pay already pay more line rental for my faster line which should "cover" the "excessive" load I'll be putting on the network....BUT then the data I'm downloading now costs me more as well cause I have a faster line???

Even if it was an uncapped account I still have issues with the different pricing models based on line speed. My DSL line rental covers my choice of line speed and "strain" on the network and shouldn't be reflected in the cost of my data as well.

My analogy is spot on. Cheep car, expensive car...both owners are already paying different prices based on the individual costs of their vehicles. Then get charged separate prices for fuel based on engine capacity?!?!?
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Jup, I know what you saying. We can use that reason to argue for scrapping line rental.
But then Telkom will argue that your line speed puts strain on their exchange network and ip connect with other data providers so they charge you more.. then IS will argue that you are putting more strain on their sat network or their portion of the sat3 fibre and they charge you more.

A few here will remember the hit IS services took when telkom introduced 4mb.. this illustrates what I mean.

Its all kinda sad really :(
 
Hey davpet

I will correct the consultant. I apologise for incorrect information given. The accounts are literally less than 18 hours old.

The account runs over satellite bandwidth.

The difference in price is vital for this kind of account.

However, if it is a problem for the majority, I can cancell the 512k account, and only sell a 4MB version for around R1800 per month incl VAT.

In my honest opinion though, that will defeat the object of this account.

davpet said:
I agree this Open Web Acc deal of 30GB for R 989.00 is generating a lot of interest however I am slightly confused concerning some of Mr Beeps information on the forum.

I phoned Openweb last night and spoke to one of the consultants as I am also very interested, my specific question was does this provide international an local acces via fibreoptic, the consultant needed to confer with the manager of the company of which was replied that this account uses the the IS Backbone fibreoptic and T1 line for local and international roaming.

However I read here that Mr Beep is of a different opinion of which he says the following in an earlier forum reply.

"This is a direct ADSL account that does not use a proxy server.

International runs over satellite bandwidth.

The accounts allow for 1 concurrent ADSL connection."

I raise it here purely because I respect the information that Mr Beep gives.

Could I please ask what is the correct information is it satellite or fibreoptic for international, for satellite has a higher latency and would affect gaming etc.

Many thanks
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what I find irritating about this forum, and one of the reasons why I have almost left it, is how people attack Isp's that bring out cheaper products.

Who cares if there is a 512k speed limit for a cheaper price. At least now I can have a cheaper account than uncapped to use on my 512k line.

Grow up people. havent you noticed how many isps no longer comment on this forum?

cancell this product Mrbeep, the forum has spoken

*crawls back into his box*
 
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cableguy said:
what I find irritating about this forum, and one of the reasons why I have almost left it, is how people attack Isp's that bring out cheaper products.

Who cares if there is a 512k speed limit for a cheaper price. At least now I can have a cheaper account than uncapped to use on my 512k line.

Grow up people. havent you noticed how many isps no longer comment on this forum?

cancell this product Mrbeep, the forum has spoken

*crawls back into his box*
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I don't think they're complaining so much as trying to understand the logic.
 
who cares about the logic.

cybersmart can offer cheaper 3gb accounts for 384k users, and openweb can offer cheaper 30gb accounts for 512k users, why do you need to understand anything?

i am happy about the fact that I am saving money, and isn't that what this forum is about? or is it about attacking the people trying to lower prices?

Syndyre said:
I don't think they're complaining so much as trying to understand the logic.
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@ CableGuy

We care about logic cause it doesn't make sense.

I enjoy my 4Meg line just as much, if not more than you and your 512k line with your cheaper bandwidth options.

My point from the beginning was and still is that I already pay more for my faster line through the DSL line rental. So there's no need to charge me more for usage on the network based on line speed. That's effectively double charging.

I don't care about the strain my line puts on the network as that should have been factored into the cost, by the relevant business selling the service, of either the rental or cap I purchased but not both.

You're totally missing the point. No one is knocking cheaper prices.
 
so basically, because you have a 4mb line, I must pay a more expensive price for my 512k connection?

ok, now I understand your logic.

Heres my understanding: Those that have 4mb lines are peeved because an isp brought out a cheaper account for 512k guys. now they must find out from the isp how dare they discriminate against them. shame, poor darlings.

Chavez said:
@ CableGuy

We care about logic cause it doesn't make sense.

I enjoy my 4Meg line just as much, if not more than you and your 512k line with your cheaper bandwidth options.

My point from the beginning was and still is that I already pay more for my faster line through the DSL line rental. So there's no need to charge me more for usage on the network based on line speed. That's effectively double charging.

I don't care about the strain my line puts on the network as that should have been factored into the cost, by the relevant business selling the service, of either the rental or cap I purchased but not both.

You're totally missing the point. No one is knocking cheaper prices.
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As Mr Beep has pointed out, the reason for the speed consideration, is that the international portion of these accounts runs over satellite, and satellite is charged to OpenWeb according to bandwidth allocation & requirements, which translates into speed allocated to each customer, and for that to work, OpenWeb needs to know what speed each customer is going to be using - the less hogging of satellite bandwidth translates into a lower rate charged to OpenWeb, which means that on the 512kbits/s speed OpenWeb is passing a saving on to customers using the 512kbits/s option.
 
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cableguy said:
who cares about the logic.

cybersmart can offer cheaper 3gb accounts for 384k users, and openweb can offer cheaper 30gb accounts for 512k users, why do you need to understand anything?

i am happy about the fact that I am saving money, and isn't that what this forum is about? or is it about attacking the people trying to lower prices?
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I care about the logic and I like to understand things, I presumed most intelligent people did. I presume the reason its cheaper is because IS doesn't get any benefit from higher Telkom line rental costs and the faster speed would necessitate buying more IPconnect/satellite bandwidth which increases costs.
 
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Mr Beep is a big boy, he can take the crit. This is free market research.

My question then is would it be possible to get faster speeds than 512k on the 512k product? At 3am on a Monday morining for example? I know that on 512k and 1024k uncapped products, many people report much higher speeds during offpeak times.

Secondly, would p2p be shaped much as the uncapped products are? ie murdered during office hours, but reasonably accessible during off-peak hours?

Regardless of the debate, 10 out 10 for innovation, Openweb!
 
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