OpenWeb ADSL Feedback Thread (Pt2)

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wingnut771

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Wackyza said:
I cant see how sharing IS accounts over multiple users is fraud. No where, which I am aware of does it state that if you buy from IS resellers are u only allowed to let one person use that account, and also, I dont think they state in their terms and conditions that the accounts is yours and yours only.

I think what they are doing is terrible and I don't agree with it. I was also a victim to this rubbish. However I think saying its fraud is incorrect.

This is why they can get away with it.
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When they charge full price to each user who are contending for the same bandwidth, I would call that fraud, as they're making double what it cost's from IS.
 
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Wackyza

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Yes you might feel that its fraud, but read what I said. There is no facts stating that they cannot do that. That's the problem I have with this situation. Its the reason they still getting away with it. They protected themselves that way.

They knew they were caught out so they went out of the public eye into the shadows, because they know, there they can continue doing business as they were and they don't need to come clean to anyone. Sad really..

wingnut771 said:
When they charge full price to each user who are contending for the same bandwidth, I would call that fraud, as they're making double what it cost's from IS.
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diephoenix08

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Look at the difference is download capacity between the 2 accounts. OW states NO THROTTLING, so it it fraud if they do throttle.

Fraud is a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain - WIKIPEDIA


Afrihost Capped Account:

DiffProbe release. January 2012. Build 1008.
Shaper Detection Module.

Connected to server 83.212.4.36.

Estimating capacity:
Upstream: 353 Kbps.
Downstream: 3215 Kbps.

The measurement will take upto 2.5 minutes. Please wait.

Checking for traffic shapers:

Upstream: No shaper detected.
Median received rate: 336 Kbps.

Downstream: No shaper detected.
Median received rate: 3136 Kbps.

For more information, visit: http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~partha/diffprobe

OW Uncapped account:
DiffProbe release. January 2012. Build 1008.
Shaper Detection Module.

Connected to server 38.107.216.19.

Estimating capacity:
Upstream: 373 Kbps.
Downstream: 2861 Kbps.

The measurement will take upto 2.5 minutes. Please wait.

Checking for traffic shapers:

Upstream: No shaper detected.
Median received rate: 373 Kbps.

Downstream: Burst size: 113-231 KB;
Shaping rate: 2090 Kbps.

For more information, visit: http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~partha/diffprobe
 
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Wackyza

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diephoenix08 said:
Look at the difference is download capacity between the 2 accounts. OW states NO THROTTLING, so it it fraud if they do throttle.

Fraud is a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain - WIKIPEDIA


Afrihost Capped Account:

DiffProbe release. January 2012. Build 1008.
Shaper Detection Module.

Connected to server 83.212.4.36.

Estimating capacity:
Upstream: 353 Kbps.
Downstream: 3215 Kbps.

The measurement will take upto 2.5 minutes. Please wait.

Checking for traffic shapers:

Upstream: No shaper detected.
Median received rate: 336 Kbps.

Downstream: No shaper detected.
Median received rate: 3136 Kbps.

For more information, visit: http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~partha/diffprobe

OW Uncapped account:
DiffProbe release. January 2012. Build 1008.
Shaper Detection Module.

Connected to server 38.107.216.19.

Estimating capacity:
Upstream: 373 Kbps.
Downstream: 2861 Kbps.

The measurement will take upto 2.5 minutes. Please wait.

Checking for traffic shapers:

Upstream: No shaper detected.
Median received rate: 373 Kbps.

Downstream: Burst size: 113-231 KB;
Shaping rate: 2090 Kbps.

For more information, visit: http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~partha/diffprobe
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That is shaping. Not throttleling. But the wiki makes sense :)
 
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diephoenix08

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Shaping vs Throttling

If you shape all protocols, is it still shaping, or is it throttling?

Think OW is blending these 2, and not to the best for its consumers.
 
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Hecate

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diephoenix08 said:
Shaping vs Throttling

If you shape all protocols, is it still shaping, or is it throttling?

Think OW is blending these 2, and not to the best for its consumers.
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To me, shaping is if It only affects certain things, throttling would be if it affected everything. So if everything is equally as cr@p I call it throttling and not shaping.
 
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MrR

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Excuse my ignorance, but how does it work when one has a 4Mbps line and uses a 2Mbps data package? Does OpenWeb throttle your throughput to 2Mbps or is it at IS?

Hecate said:
To me, shaping is if It only affects certain things, throttling would be if it affected everything. So if everything is equally as cr@p I call it throttling and not shaping.
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Agree with your definition on throttling vs. shaping.
 
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by definition, throttling means everything turns to crap, as most "abusers" on MWEB's network can attest. I see many posts of people saying it takes 10 minutes to load Google.
Pretty much how long it took me to attach a 600kbyte PDF document to an e-mail composed in GMail, haven't had that since.
To be very honest here, getting rid of OW was the best thing I ever did, along with the second-best thing of getting rid of MWEB.

The debate can continue endlessly, the fact remains, OW throttles blindly, and they always blame Telkom, your router, your line, the phase of the moon, etc.. The proof is always in the pudding isn't it? I am sure most any other ISP is better than OW at present. Its your choice at the end of the day. It took me 1 hour of my time, to get rid of this slow internet crap, permanently.

What a joy last night, to upload Youtube video.
 
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MrR said:
Excuse my ignorance, but how does it work when one has a 4Mbps line and uses a 2Mbps data package? Does OpenWeb throttle your throughput to 2Mbps or is it at IS?
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You should find the ISP will rate limit you to 2Mbps. If you ran a speed test you should achieve a perfect 2Mbps whereas if you had a 2Mbps line with a 2Mbps account your speedtest will should be around 1.7Mbps.

With that said, when I had a 2Mbps account and a 4Mbps line I managed to get around 420KB/s download (speedtest of 3.49Mbps) but that was with a different ISP. Seems my ISP wasn't rate limiting my download speed to my account speed, instead my account ran at line speed :D
 
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Tested NNTP which is now running fairly well today (around 1mb on a 4mb line), but don't need it right now... HTTP & POP mail totally knackered though, won't even open a local page or download mails FFS...

OW, your shaping/throttling methods are really up to maggots.

Guess I need to switch to a backup account - yet again !
 
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PostmanPot

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MrR said:
Excuse my ignorance, but how does it work when one has a 4Mbps line and uses a 2Mbps data package? Does OpenWeb throttle your throughput to 2Mbps or is it at IS?



Agree with your definition on throttling vs. shaping.
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You get more on your account. Like Zewp who can get up to 2Mbps on his 1Mbps account because his line is 2Mbit.
 
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