OpenWEB going to far now.... - MOD NOTE: RESOLVED

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If the reseller does that, I'm pretty sure he'll be against the TOS from his provider, and the Reseller then, has some really dodgy business practises IMHO... People like that (regardless of how respectable the ISP *should* be, should not be in business).

One of the two users using the account hacks and causes problems... A case of abuse is reported to the whole sale provider... The whole sale provider approaches the reseller and queries the reseller as to the details for the customer who is using the account...

Which one of the two customers did the hacking???
 
How do we know IS does not actually sell the uncapped at a specific price to the reseller allowing, hmm say 2connections each 512kbps.... Thus the reseller sells it to two seperate users?
 
killadoob said:
ziggy dude we better get them to believe this or our free uncapped goes away :(
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If the legitamate owner of the account gave you the details and TOLD YOU that it is OK if you use it, you have nothing to be bothered about... You have received permission from the legitamate owner, it is up to the legitamate owner to control usage - if and when it becomes a problem for them.

If you are using another person's uncapped account WITHOUT them knowing, or WITHOUT them giving you permission to do so... I'm sorry, but you are stealing and commiting fraud...
 
The thing is, its Uncapped, 1connection per a user thats paying for it...

I cant take my uncapped and tell my friend, hey login, use it, my account would be suspended...
 
ziglet, because that's not how IS markets its accounts to the resellers. If the reseller sells 1x IS uncapped account to 2x users at full price then there's a big problem, if not, if it sells it at half price, then the problem isn't so big (as the reseller is not fraudulently misrepresenting a product just so he can make more money off of each sale). However, that's not the only problem, the concurrent users and the fact that more than 1 individual knowingly have those details can cause issues as was the problem in savage's case where he could not use his account as both sessions were being used by someone else - that's a huge issue and one that you're not really going to get around on a single account approach.
 
I'm pretty sure these things are governed between the wholesale supplier and the reseller in terms of agreements and TOS specifications...

I highly doubt, any wholesale provider would be happy about either 1) multiple parties using the same account, or 2) the reseller selling a single account to multiple parties

Personally, I won't touch any reseller that sells the same account to multiple parties... He pays x amount for a account from the wholesale provider, he adds his profit, and sells that account to the customer at x price.... As far as I'm concerned I pay for sole access to that account and by g*d I will give a reseller HELL if my account is resold to be 'shared' with other parties with me OKing it, or without my knowledge...
 
Just on another note... *IF* this is how people make money by selling uncapped accounts for R2200 / R2300 to multiple parties (to make it profitable)... There's going to be BEEEG shyte...

Just like the ISPs (in a nut shell), bordered on the lines of fraud in the old days with the 30GB international accounts (telling Telkom it was all local usage whilst selling bigger international packages), the ISPs are pretty much again on borders if they are selling the same unlimited accounts to multiple parties... I can fully understand why Telkom was upset about the 30GB accounts back then, especially after being lied to by the ISPs merely stating that 80GB of usage per month was all local....

If the above does happen at these ISPs, I would *DEFINATELY* like to hear from IS about the issue... It makes me wonder actually how come OpenWeb / OSD / etc (IS Resellers) have uncapped international packages, and WA (for example) does not... Can it be that WA as a respectable established ISP does not want to take the risk associated with these uncapped accounts?
 
I think this conversation is way beyond OpenWeb at this stage...

Any ISP that sells a single account to multiple parties in order to maximise profits, cannot be seen as respectable IMHO.

Whether OpenWeb does that or not, remains to be seen... I said in my first post that I want awnsers, I believe we are going to start seeing the awnsers that is needed soon...
 
Yeah I don't understand why a single account would be sold to multiple parties either. If a person cancels his account and the account is recycled with a new password I can understand that, but not simultaneously. Hopefully the truth will come out soon.
 
That is the router option, where you get a Cisco Router installed at your house. It's not the IS Uncapped Solution based on a account (username/password), that you can use on your own personal DSL Router (and all yoru friend's routers for that matter)...

There's a massive difference between the two uncapped offerings. Sorry if I was perhaps not completely technically correct in regards to the others selling IS Uncapped accounts...
 
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That is the router option, where you get a Cisco Router installed at your house. It's not the IS Uncapped Solution based on a account (username/password), that you can use on your own personal DSL Router (and all yoru friend's routers for that matter)...

There's a massive difference between the two uncapped offerings. Sorry if I was perhaps not completely technically correct in regards to the others selling IS Uncapped accounts...
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The only difference AFAIK with the other option, Cisco router etc., is you get static IP's via a VPN and there's a contract.
 
And your IPs are tied to your account.

The moment someone else logs in with your account, your static IP addressing / VPN will no longer route properly... It's impossible to 'share' these accounts, it's impossible to have more than one established session to the DSL Network with these routers...

The end user (ala customer) to my understanding, also does not have access to the configuration of these Cisco routers... They don't even know what the username/password is, or the configuration settings for the VPN for that matter... This solution from IS (whilst crap expensive) is a very secure way of operating - there is no chance of leaks unless someone gets into one of these Cisco routers whilst maintaining the current configuration.
 
savage said:
And your IPs are tied to your account.

The moment someone else logs in with your account, your static IP addressing / VPN will no longer route properly... It's impossible to 'share' these accounts, it's impossible to have more than one established session to the DSL Network with these routers...

The end user (ala customer) to my understanding, also does not have access to the configuration of these Cisco routers... They don't even know what the username/password is, or the configuration settings for the VPN for that matter... This solution from IS (whilst crap expensive) is a very secure way of operating - there is no chance of leaks unless someone gets into one of these Cisco routers whilst maintaining the current configuration.
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You could achieve the same with a standard account that only allows 1 concurrent connection, just make sure you change your default router password etc. to give yourself a decent level of security.
 
I dont have control over how many sessions is allowed by the wholeseller, or the reseller... Appart from me, the reseller knows my username/password by selling me a account (instead of leasing me a router).

Nothing stops the reseller from reselling the same account a second time :) That's the whole point and argument here...
 
savage said:
I dont have control over how many sessions is allowed by the wholeseller, or the reseller... Appart from me, the reseller knows my username/password by selling me a account (instead of leasing me a router).

Nothing stops the reseller from reselling the same account a second time :) That's the whole point and argument here...
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I know, I'm saying the reseller could achieve that, obviously you couldn't on your own.
 
gamco seems to allow 2 concurrent connections for their uncapped services...
 
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