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ive seen a huge amount of falcons labelled as 16.5A. The only way is to check the plug
 
jeppe777 said:
ive seen a huge amount of falcons labelled as 16.5A. The only way is to check the plug
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They are refurbished Zepher boards with Falcon chips so at the end of the day it's still based on the Zepher layout. A true Falcon would be 14.2A. Preferably Falcon Revision 3.0.

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They might use the Falcon chip setup and other improvements but as reported, the 16.5A Hybrid (Falcon/Zepher) breed still have higher chance to get E74. It's best to at least get a 14.2A Falcon Rev 3.0 or Jasper 12.1A.
 
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jeppe777 said:
whats Rev 3?
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I don't know all the geeky technical bits on this but I read about it quite some time back. Basically the the refurbished Falcons were based on the Zepher board but with the 65nm CPU improvement. These units were basically labeled "Falcon Revision 1". They however still used the 203W Power Supply, 16.5A rating due to the Zepher/Xenon board.

The standard Falcons uses the 175W Power Supply, 14.2A rating and besides the 65nm CPU they had also had slightly different board layouts and improvements to the X-Clamp. The last Falcons "Rev 3" where released a few months before the Jaspers started to appear and had different optical drives as well as X-Clamp improvements and a bigger heatsink.
 
naah dude you got it totally wrong. The first zephyrs with hdmi that came out were the elites in late sep 2007. Falcons started appearing toward the end of 2007. You may be referring to the opus which was the refurbished xenon/zephyr non hdmi 65nm cpu. @maestro confirm this?
 
xclamp was never improved and the optical drives changed to lite-on after march 2008. They still remain the same even with the jaspers. Heat sinks are exactly the same on the falcons and jaspers.
 
jeppe777 said:
naah dude you got it totally wrong. The first zephyrs with hdmi that came out were the elites in late sep 2007. Falcons started appearing toward the end of 2007. You may be referring to the opus which was the refurbished xenon/zephyr non hdmi 65nm cpu. @maestro confirm this?
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How is this wrong? Look at the chart I posted...The Zepher is a Xenon with HDMI and the Falcon a Opus with HDMI.

There are Zephyr's mainboards (refurbished) with 65nm CPU's and HDMI but since it still uses the old motherboard it still caries the original 16.5A rating.

jeppe777 said:
xclamp was never improved and the optical drives changed to lite-on after march 2008. They still remain the same even with the jaspers. Heat sinks are exactly the same on the falcons and jaspers.
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Xclamp, glue and heatsinks were improved as stated by Anantech (from Zephyr to Falcon) and other sites who opened the units. We optical drive changes I mentioned are firmware based. When the Falcons were released in 2007 they were noted for their 65nm CPU's, lower power consumption, better fans, extra and redesigned heatsinks and looser x-clamps as well as BenQ optical drives.

There isint much details about the Rev 3 but people claim it to be the most stable of the Falcon range. I'm still trying to get all the tech details about the Falcon Rev 3. The real differences with Jasper are ..

“The motherboard design didn't change much, besides the bigger flash and what's probably the new 65nm GPU, we also see a new south bridge model...the rest (videochip, CPU, heatsinks, general board layout) seems pretty much similar to falcon boards.

It also appears there are RAM chips on the bottom of the board again (without thermal pads even)...Microsoft recently switched to RAM chips with double capacity so they could drop the 4 chips on bottom (and only place 4 on the top)…but apparently they are back (old stock maybe?). However, the type of RAM chips they use is not bound to the motherboard revision...there are falcon boards with RAM chips only on the top and falcon boards with RAM chips on both top and bottom. Same can happen for the jasper boards.
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Also for reference..

# Xenon (2005-2006)
Original design – November 2005 (Launch)
90nm CPU, 90nm GPU, 90nm eDRAM
Identified by:

* 203W power supply
* 16,5A next to the 12V line on console’s serial label
* Photos at http://www.360drives.com/howto#xenon

# Zephyr (2006-2007)
Original Xbox 360 Elite design – May 2007 (Released for Premium design - July 2007)
90nm CPU, 90nm GPU, & 90nm eDRAM
With HDMI port
Improved GPU cooler
Identified by:

* 203W power supply
* 16,5A next to the 12V line on console’s serial label
* HDMI listed as feature on box (Available as Xbox 360 Elite)
* Photos at http://www.360drives.com/howto#zephyr

# Opus (2007)
Released for Xbox 360 – July 2007
65nm CPU, 90nm GPU, & 80nm eDRAM
Improved CPU cooler (Inherited from Falcon)
Improved GPU cooler (Inherited from Zephyr)
Identified by:

* 175W power supply
* 14,2A next to the 12V line on console’s serial label
* Does NOT have HDMI port (Available only for Xbox 360 Premium, Core repairs; generally considered rare)
* Photos at http://www.360drives.com/howto#opus

# Falcon (2007-2008)
Released for Xbox 360 Premium & Elite consoles - September 2007
65nm CPU, 80nm GPU, & 80nm eDRAM
With HDMI port
Improved CPU cooler (Different heat sink & cooling duct)
Identified by:

* 175W power supply
(This is indicative of at LEAST owning a Falcon console. It may be a Jasper. The only way for the average person to know is to examine the power connector on the console. See photo above.)
* 14,2A next to the 12V line on console’s serial label
(This is indicative of at LEAST owning a Falcon console. It may be a Jasper. The only way for the average person to know is to examine the power connector on the console. See photo above.)
* Console manufacture date is on or after August 24, 2007
* Manufacturing lot # is likely to be 0734 or greater
* Photos at http://www.360drives.com/howto#falcon

# Jasper (2008-current)
65nm CPU, 65nm GPU, & 80nm eDRAM
With HDMI port
256MB On-board Flash (16MB was standard)
Identified by:

* 150W power supply
(This is an absolute guarantee that the console is a Jasper)
* 12,1A next to the 12V line on console’s serial label
(Some Jaspers have been found mislabeled with 14,2A however. If your console has 14,2A, the only way for the average person to know what motherboard is used is to examine the power connector on the console. See photo above.)
* Console manufacture date is on or after October 14, 2008
(This is not definitive being that there have been Falcons found with a similar manufacture date. If your console has a manufacture date on 10/14/08, the only way for the average person to know what motherboard is used is to examine the power connector on the console. See photo above.)
* Manufacturing lot # is likely to be 0843 or greater
(This is not definitive as there have been Falcons shipped with the same manufacturing lot.)
* Photos at http://www.360drives.com/howto#jasper
 
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I've got a Jasper. It says 12.1A at the back.

Now, I'm using my old power supply with my console. Is this bad?
 
ZeroSplice said:
I've got a Jasper. It says 12.1A at the back.

Now, I'm using my old power supply with my console. Is this bad?
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Nope, it just uses the required power from the PSU. You can use the older PSU's with the newer system but not the other way around.
 
Tips on how to identify if you have suffered a Red-Ring of death:

1) Check your ass - if you see a red ring you know you've been f#$ed by bill again and need to get a new console.

i know you guys are gonna kill me now I just thought that's funny.

Sorry to all you RROD victims, but joking is sometimes the only thing to do.
 
Much appreciated DarkWater.

@Keeper - Best RROD joke yet! My brother just let out a guffaw.
 
Revision ... smidgen ... at the end of the day Jasper consoles must prove their worth in terms of being ROD (ring of death) proof.

When I get in a Jasper for ring of death related issues, I'll announce it :D
 
i honestly think that with the jaspers will occur much later as in last longer but just after your warranty finishes in 3 years it will die.:).
 
jeppe777 said:
i honestly think that with the jaspers will occur much later as in last longer but just after your warranty finishes in 3 years it will die.:).
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaand talking about Jaspers......

The Xbox 360 Arcade pack just got a bit more useful. The mysterious 512MB Arcade unit seen yesterday is real! Microsoft confirmed to Eurogamer that it has doubled the memory on the "Jasper" motherboard of the hard-drive-free system. However, of course, not all of that space will be available to the owner: "The Xbox 360 system software uses some of the included 512MB memory;" Microsoft's statement reads. "Less storage will be available to users."

The on-board storage was originally introduced to house the New Xbox Experience upgrade. According to Microsoft, this extra storage doesn't portend any new functionality: "We want to offer consumers a bit more memory at the same low price so they can enjoy more experiences on Xbox LIVE."
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Link
 
maestro_za said:
Revision ... smidgen ... at the end of the day Jasper consoles must prove their worth in terms of being ROD (ring of death) proof.

When I get in a Jasper for ring of death related issues, I'll announce it :D
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Some powerful negative karma. I swear, if this Jasper fails me... I'll probably sell it and buy another.
 
If it fails, I must ask, WHY do you continue pouring money into something that doesn't work and has a history of not working?
 
Fudzy said:
If it fails, I must ask, WHY do you continue pouring money into something that doesn't work and has a history of not working?
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Well I can't speak from personal experience since I have not experienced any problems with 2 my xbox's but I'll still replace mine if it does since I get money back for the replacement and then also own the latest version :)
 
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