OT: ANC Elective Conference

Good point there, Cyril gets them the victory for 2019 and they then use the Zuma majority MPs to vote for someone else. It's not going to be easy for him, I find myself at times wondering how much of a politician he really is, but time will tell.

Yeah I think he lacks the political cunning & ruthlessness of the likes of Ace, Zuma, DD or Supra. But wrestling the party from the influence of KZN is a small step forward which is unfortunately negated by the rise of DD and the premier league (the premier league will obviously not mind throwing Zuma under the pass if it serves their interests).
 
I'm not sure MP supported CR. I think most of them voted for NDZ given the fine margins between CR and NDZ. With most of MP voting for CR he would have trounced NDZ.

Hopefully we will have a breakdown of the votes, just to see what goes for what. I do not trust any politician, no matter what party..they all the same...but the Premier League, I do not trust at bloody all.
 
Is it just me or do you also see a resemblance between Carl Niehaus and Kelsey Grammar (Frasier Crane)?

No but in the one picture of Carl, I saw a resemblance of one of the gorillas from Congo and him.

Tell me you don't see it as well:

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How can some members vote for CR, then vote for some of the other top 6 that personify the problems we have had for 10 years????

Mabuza's delegation turned out to be the wildcard in this scenario. He probably played both sides by splitting his voting power, allowing for CR to win. I think he did that intentionally to avoid angering the NDZ faction, and to not make it obvious that he was looking to bat for CR17 as well.

Leading up to the votes with people dropping out of the nominations, I think he strategically lined up members from the top six using the same mechanism.

Nothing actually stops a Zuma heavy parliament nominating and electing someone other than CR in 2019 lol.

That is unless the NPA is headed up by someone competent and not loyal to either CR or Zupta. If we have a competent prosecuting authority, everything else falls away and Zuma's plans go haywire. His whole strategy revolved around eventually allowing himself to be prosecuted and then pardoned by his ex-wife.
 
My thoughts too, I seem to recall that even with those Unity votes going to NDZ Cyril still was ahead of NDZ, had Mpumalanga voted for him the margin would not have been this close.

Many theories: https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/art...f-power-in-the-hands-of-pending-nec-election/

Ironically, it could have been one of Dlamini Zuma’s actions against bad governance and suspected corruption that might have cost her the presidency. In 2010, when she was home affairs minister, she cancelled a R4-billion contract between her department and GijimaAst after the company had not been performing in its Who am I online? contract, and after various irregularities were uncovered.

GijimaAst belonged to Mpumalanga businessman Robert Gumede, a close associate of Mabuza, and word is that Gumede has never forgiven Dlamini Zuma for this, even though the contract was later partially reinstated. While many in his province were behind her (she had nominations from 100-odd branches, but “unity” had about twice that), Mabuza himself never pronounced in her favour. On Sunday night, just before the voting, he finally revealed his true colours.

Hopefully we will have a breakdown of the votes, just to see what goes for what. I do not trust any politician, no matter what party..they all the same...but the Premier League, I do not trust at bloody all.

Anonymous vote. You will never see an exact official breakdown, only guesttimates.
 
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It only makes sense if vote trading took place. The process was clearly corrupt. Democracy my ass. In exchange for CR as president, votes were clearly traded to include the corrupt in positions of power. Otherwise the results make no sense as you said. We are supposed to be grateful the Zuma faction never got president while ignoring the corrupt process.

The lines are for you divided between corruption and no corruption.

Inside the ANC, it is not the same rationale, hence why the result.
 
Sabelo Radebe‏ @sabelo_sub
1h1 hour ago

Voting delegates were 4776

Ace Magashule got 2360

Senzo Mchunu got 2336

There were 8 abstentions

There were 4 spoilt votes

2360+2336+8+4= 4708

4776-4708=68

What happened to 68 votes?
 
This was the one that made the least sense to me. Those 24 votes separating Senzo and Ace will come back to haunt everyone sometime.


Mchunu supporters question his defeat as ANC SG

Johannesburg - African National Congress members who backed Senzo Mchunu to become ANC secretary general are questioning the final voting tally.

Mchunu, the former KwaZulu-Natal ANC chairperson, lost to Free State chair Ace Magashule by 24 votes on Monday night. The position of secretary general is seen as the engine of the party's Luthuli House headquarters.


https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/mchunu-supporters-question-his-defeat-as-anc-sg-20171219

this could become interesting....
 
The ANC just can't do anything without corruption hey?

BREAKING: ANC meeting over 68 missing votes

Johannesburg - News24 has confirmed that a meeting of the ANC's steering committee is underway to probe the "disappearance" of 68 delegates’ votes.

The total number of voting delegates attending conference is 4776, but only 4708 voted. The steering committee is in charge of organising the conference.

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/breaking-anc-meeting-over-68-missing-votes-20171219

Would not be surprised, the Premier League doings...that is why Mchunu was so stunned when he did not win, so much so that his supporters were carrying him to the stage...before they realised that Ace won...rerun?
 
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