Our old flag

[froggytoo]

It's better having an original flag rather than one that's spun off various European countries.

Check it : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_South_Africa

Yeah, representing a new beginning.............of nothing!

 

[Leitmotif]

Oh and the International community would have stood idly by while the SA government bombed whole townships? ROFL.

Ask Israel. Or China. Or Rwanda. Or Zim. Or any of the other states that killed off their own citizens during the 20th.

Yes, they would have made noises. SA was a pariah anyway, what would it have mattered?

 

[DagegeN]

It's a little something for you people out there with an old-school education.

Ekskuuste dwarsboom ontwikkeling
"Hoekom het jy die miljoen rand gesteel?"
"Ek was honger!"

So lui 'n stokou grappie waaroor middeljariges van vandag destyds in hulle kindertyd gelag het - min vermoedend dat hierdie situasie nog in hulle leeftyd 'n werklikheid sou word.

Baie mense beskou blykbaar diefstal en roof as heel aanvaarbaar, jy moet net beweer jy was daartoe gedryf deur honger, gebrek, apartheid of die waan dat jou oer-voorouers onderdruk was.

Laat ons dus maar vandag oor 'n paar sake reguit praat:

'n Mens steel nie omdat jy honger of arm is nie - jy steel omdat jy skelm is. Niemand was nog ooit in hierdie land so volledig onderdruk soos die Boerevolk na die Tweede Vryheidsoorlog nie.

Ons voorouers wat die oorlog en die konsentrasiekampe oorleef het, het na die doodse leegheid van vernietigde plase teruggekeer - uitgehonger, hartseer en verpletter.Maar hulle het nie geroof en gemoor en gesteel nie. Hulle het met harde werk, deursettingsvermoë en swaarkry so presteer dat hulle weldra nie net hulleself nie, maar ook hulle huidige onderdukkers, goed kon versorg.

Toe hulle kinders in Engelse skole gestop is en gestraf is as hulle dit durf waag het om Afrikaans te praat, het hulle nie klippe gegooi en skole afgebrand en geweld gepleeg nie.

Hulle het hard geleer, hulle eie CNO-skole gestig en uiteindelik bo uitgekom sodat die Boerevolk vandag vir niemand op akademiese, tegnologiese of wetenskaplike gebied terug hoef te staan nie.

'n Mens moor nie omdat jy voorheen benadeel is of omdat jou werkgewer jou nie tederlik genoeg behandel nie - 'n mens moor omdat jy 'n barbaar is wat nie verdien om deel van die samelewing te wees nie.

Na die Tweede Vryheidsoorlog het Boere-mynwerkers absoluut geen regte gehad het nie en moes hulle gesinne met minder as 'n hongerloon probeer onderhou. Maar hulle het nie bejaardes gaan doodmartel en gesinne uitgemoor nie.

'n Mens word nie 'n agtergeblewene omdat iemand anders nie genoeg vir jou doen nie. 'n Mens word 'n agterblyer omdat jy nie presteer nie. Niemand het die Boerevolk na die Tweede Vryheidsoorlog vooruit gehelp nie - ons het self gewerk en volhard om sukses te behaal.

En elke ding wat ons het, het ons verwerf - apartheid het nooit plase en poste en posisies aan Boeremense uitgedeel nie.

As alles altyd vir jou verkeerd loop sodat jy voel jy maak nooit enige vordering nie, is dit dalk 'n goeie gedagte om op te hou soek wie anders as jy self vir al jou ellende verantwoordelik is. Ruk jou reg en presteer jouself in die voorspoed in.

En dit geld vir ons eie mense ook. Net ons eie werk, prestasie en geloof gaan bepaal of ons as agterblyers in die vergetelheid gaan wegsink en of ons weer as trotse, beskaafde, gerespekteerde volk sal opstaan.

Selfs in die nuwe Suid-Afrika is daar steeds geleenthede vir vindingryke, geesdriftige mense wat bereid is om hard te werk en vir hulleself 'n toekoms los te spook.
Mag die Boerevolk nooit pateties raak nie.

'n Brokkie van hoop vir ons, in die donker Africa ...

 

[BobbyMac]

Ask Israel. Or China. Or Rwanda. Or Zim. Or any of the other states that killed off their own citizens during the 20th.

Yes, they would have made noises. SA was a pariah anyway, what would it have mattered?

1994 came and went peacefully. If it didn't, you'd probably be dead. I'd still be me and I'd still be alive. But what does it matter

 

[ath0]

Oh and the International community would have stood idly by while the SA government bombed whole townships? ROFL.

The international community is making note of the hate crimes against whites.

 

[BobbyMac]

The international community is making note of the hate crimes against whites.

Erm, besides for the possibility of some of the Farm murders being associated with hate crimes, how many others are there?

 

[Tanarri]

I agree with you but, let's see. 90 years+ of white supremest brainwashing of a people against 12 years of an attempt at doing things the right way.

Clearly racism is ingrained in many people in here, and it will take a hell of a long time to change their minds. Makes one feel a bit despondent if you think about it. Judging from some posts in here, I don't think we should expect too much.

Who do you want to blame now? The apartheid government? The English? Maybe South Africa under the rule of Netherlands too? You better start waking up, because Europe was and still is extremely superior to Africa . Groveling in the typical deprived African begging way will get you no where in this life. You do something about it or you stay behind.

Racism then? No, but it's Africa's favorite card to play. Neither Americans nor the Europeans look down on the Japanese 'cause of their race.'

 

[Jozi101]

Hi Jozi101 - Agreed. But my personal feeling is that once we stop trying to change peoples minds and just live our lives with mutual respect for each others views and history and culture it might be easier to live together? That is what we are teaching our children our hope? There will always be individuals that wont want to attempt accepting the changes at all, but I am sure the majority of us, black, white, brown, green etc have the same goals and dreams for this country and our children?

I agree in part with what you're saying. However, i believe that is the biggest challenge we're faced with. Changing individuals mindsets to stop seeing the empowerment of the majority as their own disempowerment/disenfranchisement. Rather than being guided by this ingrained negative thought pattern, recognise that we all have something to gain from ensuring the that the majority is empowered to a level where they can play a bigger part in the economy. (I.e. Bigger market=bigger profits for private companies). Makes sense to me.

 

[orin76]

I disagree. Those people created their own, while maintaining the original links. Examples is the Afrikaners, Cape coloureds and some others. All respected and good cultures. Now the government want to break everything down to nothing or whatever. No free choice! Communism style.

If you look at the Afrikaners as a variation on the Dutch as a result of interbreeding then I must concede you point. You seem to think the government is pushing this though. The government isn't forcing you to interbreed. I havent' received any directive to go out and seek sexual relations with other cultures or races What I have had an opportunity to do since the end of apartheid (actually even before it ended) is to have more white, indian and coloured friends. There's nothing wrong with that as far as I can see. I used to have a very unflattering view of Afrikaners until I actually hung out with a few. Stereotypes cause alot of damage.

 

[Jozi101]

Who do you want to blame now? The apartheid government? The English? Maybe '

Who do i wanna blame for what? What are you on about?

 

[Jozi101]

It's a little something for you people out there with an old-school education.



'n Brokkie van hoop vir ons, in die donker Africa ...

Translation please. Anyone.

 

[ath0]

Erm, besides for the possibility of some of the Farm murders being associated with hate crimes, how many others are there?

Everytime a white man touches someone of another race, it makes world headlines, this doesnt go unnoticed. These days we dont see many of these white racist incidents, maybe 2 if we are lucky. So white racist crimes are well documented in SA, the media is usually on the scene before the police arrives, ready for their front page "WHITE RACIST!!!" story.

The only white racist murders i have learnt about are Dewet Kritzinger and the Waterkloof guys.


FACT: The SA media is deliberately covering up racist crimes committed by non-whites.

You can say this is untrue,
Then i would ask you if you could show me examples of them labeling non-white racists in the same fashion they attack white racists?
You wouldnt have any examples, because the media hasnt made any, not your fault.


The bottom line is, in South Africa, only whites can be guilty of "racism", they can never be victims of racism.

"When a black person says he does not like white people, that is not racism, it is prejudice... blacks have no capacity to be racist - they can only respond to it."ANC Youth League, Mr Ntshangase (Sunday Times 28/12/03)

"When Mandela dies we will kill you whites like flies" (ANC Councillor, Mzukizi Gaba, 10th November 1997)

"We will kill the whites, all of them; Afrikaans and English," rioting Pasma students and their leaders at Pretoria University's Mamelodi campus chanted, February 18, 2005

This leaves me with the conclusion, that the word "racism" is exclusively used to attack white people in SA.

50,000+ whites murdered since 1994, and none of these cases qualify as "racism", any reason but "racism".

Black racism doesnt exist, and no journalist in SA would dare accuse a black person of being racist.

 

[froggytoo]

Erm, besides for the possibility of some of the Farm murders being associated with hate crimes, how many others are there?

BobbMAc? Every other robbery of white, colored and sometimes black citizens end up with murder. If you take in what the criminals said or stated then that is clearly nothing but barbarous murder due to hate and intolerance. They can take what they need but that is never enough. Seems to me You do not read papers and/or news at all.

 

[Jozi101]

Everytime a white man touches someone of another race, it makes world headlines, this doesnt go unnoticed. These days we dont see many of these white racist incidents, maybe 2 if we are lucky. So white racist crimes are well documented in SA, the media is usually on the scene before the police arrives, ready for their front page "WHITE RACIST!!!" story.

The only white racist murders i have learnt about are Dewet Kritzinger and the Waterkloof guys.


FACT: The SA media is deliberately covering up racist crimes committed by non-whites.

You can say this is untrue,
Then i would ask you if you could show me examples of them labeling non-white racists in the same fashion they attack white racists?
You wouldnt have any examples, because the media hasnt made any, not your fault.


The bottom line is, in South Africa, only whites can be guilty of "racism", they can never be victims of racism.








This leaves me with the conclusion, that the word "racism" is exclusively used to attack white people in SA.

50,000+ whites murdered since 1994, and none of these cases qualify as "racism", any reason but "racism".

Black racism doesnt exist, and no journalist in SA would dare accuse a black person of being racist.

Another KKK follower. You're scary boet. I suggest you stop visitting these whitepower sites. Maybe you're the guy behind the Southafricasucks website.

 

[ath0]

Another KKK follower. You're scary boet. I suggest you stop visitting these whitepower sites. Maybe you're the guy behind the Southafricasucks website.

Are you saying my post is a LIE? (YES/NO)

Did i fabricate those quotes? (YES/NO)

 

[Bageloo]

It may tend to create confusion. No ethnics, heritage or culture of your own.
Nothing wrong with interbreeding, Your free choice not mine. Does not bother me much tho, its just not for me. That's all! What I am stating the GOV will not accept us while we are Afrikaans and white. They will always for the next 50+ years ensure that we are prevented from contributing positively to this beloved (not anymore) country.

the modern-day white Afrikaner is of 34% Dutch, 33% German, 13% French, 6.9% coloured and 5% British origin

You are a product of big time interbreeding...

 

[ath0]

You are a product of big time interbreeding...

Doesnt that qualify as "racism" against people of mixed descent?

 

[Jozi101]

Are you saying my post is a LIE? (YES/NO)

Did i fabricate those quotes? (YES/NO)

I don't care where you got these. The mere fact that you went to so much trouble is a bit disturbing to say the least. I'm more concerned with the high crime rate that most of the country is currently experiencing. Not just whites. That's your territory right there.

 

[blonde one]

Translation please. Anyone.

A ray of hope for us, in dark Africa

 

[Leitmotif]

1994 came and went peacefully. If it didn't, you'd probably be dead. I'd still be me and I'd still be alive. But what does it matter

Living in a gung-ho power fantasy. Yes, nowadays blacks could wipe out other racial groups with little trouble. That's because they control the infrastructure and the military - such as it is.

However, pure numbers mean absolutely nothing against trained and armed soldiers. The old SA government wasn't welcome anywhere else in the world. They had nowhere to go to, so they weren't just going to up and leave. Millions of lives would have been lost, but the vast majority would have been 'freedom fighters' or noncombatants on their side.

Get over this idea that SA could have been easily taken by force, and that all of the whites should have been killed. Yes, your ideology may have won out, but it was by no means guaranteed... and in any case the losses would have been staggering.

Be thankful for your own part that 1994 saw peaceful resolution. War is never glorious. War doesn't determine who is right - only who is left.