Parenting failure

Did you speak to the principle? Ask him for suggestions. I don't know where you're from or what school this is, maybe there is specialized schools for troubled youngsters that the school can suggest. Don't know if they will be worth it, but it won't hurt looking in to it. Maybe involve your son in the decision making.
 
Im so sorry but this is going to be long. I think today was my lowest low of being a parent, I have never in my life felt I was a failure at being a mother but today was it. I don't know why I'm posting this tonight in light of the other Glenvista debacle(nothing to do with us btw) but I found out yesterday my boy child was expelled from his hostel and today, we have been asked to find a another school to educate him for the rest of the year. To say I'm heartbroken is an understatement and I went and cried in the loo at work like a 12yr old for 30 mins. He broke a stringent rule at the hostel where no exceptions are made(understandably) and the school feels there is nothing more they can do for him. His walks to the beat of his own drum and doesn't follow rules, acts without consequences, doesn't complete tasks asked of him etc etc.

Don't get me wrong, he is nothing like the Glenvista boy, he is incredibly compassionate, likeable and a happy go lucky but that seems to be his downfall. He does shyte without thinking and when he gets into trouble for it, he is a deer in the spotlight with a "what did I do" look on his face. At this stage of the year, I'm besides myself. I actually feel like we are standing in glue, I honestly don't know where to turn. He hasn't been formally expelled from the school so my mom is going to make an impassioned plea tomorrow for them to just allow him to finish the year (grade10) so that we can get him to do a trade next year but apparently they were pretty adament that he is not welcome back after holidays. I don't believe there is any school that will take him at this time of year. If he drops out now, college type school will not be an option as I know he will never open a book etc. I've made no secret here of the face that he is not very academically inclined. He is not stupid, has no learning disability but he is just not interested.

I don't know if anyone else here has raised a "difficult" child with success, we are desperate to get him educated to some degree but we seem to fail at every turn. I don't know how to get it to sink in that life is about rules and we have to follow most of them to get ahead in life kwim? He doesn't seem to get it and just smiles and cuddles me saying all will be good when I try talk to him seriously.

Small examples of the stuff he has done recently: mother wakes in the middle of the night and sees her car is missing, she panics and calls the police, the sons waltzes in a short time later without a care in the world, a friend needed a ride so he borrowed the car...he will only be 17 next week and then he was all " huh..what's the matter, what I do??" Wtf???? Hostel tell him he is not allowed to throw a rugby ball in his dorm, they catch him a few days later with the ball in the dorm so they confiscate the ball. A few days after that, the bright spark decides to toss his shoe around the dorm because he has no ball, breaks the bloody light fitting on the ceiling...etc, I could go on...lots of small stuff that has just eventually added up I guess. (He wasn't expelled for breaking the light btw).

Any constructive advice for any potential way to move forward would be most welcome from any seasoned parent....and not boys town or the likes as he is not criminally minded, and no Abzo, he doesn't smoke pot, do steriods or anything like that before you ask :) .

The cherry on my pitiful cake, I haven't told the husband about today's events, he is still comming to terms with the hostel saga from yesterday that I just couldn't do it when I got home tonight. He is going to have a heart attack I'm sure. Totally freak out.

TL/DR: parenting is not for sissies. :)

It's not a parenting failure. Kids get up to stuff. Most of us just never got caught :). Or where just lucky. Just make sure he doesn't get away with it. You have to come down on him hard, but don't tell him he is a useless git, even if right now you think he is. This had to be a life lesson and a wake call for him.
 
Sorry to be pedantic, but a significant number of psychiatrists will have something like M.Med. (Psych) rather than FC (Psych) written behind their names.

No. To be a specialist psychiatrist you must have a FC number. All specialist doctors have an FC number its a requirement of HPCSA. It stands for fellowship of college.

FC cardio, FC derm, FC rad, FC psych etc
 
Why is he in a hostel and not living at home and going to school like "normal" children?

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As someone who was recently in high-school.

Give him a taste of real life, he doesn't realize how big of a mistake he's making. Tough love gets results.
 
No. To be a specialist psychiatrist you must have a FC number. All specialist doctors have an FC number its a requirement of HPCSA. It stands for fellowship of college.

FC cardio, FC derm, FC rad, FC psych etc

This is factually incorrect.

Specialists need not hold fellowship in The Colleges of Medicine of South Africa (CMSA). There are other qualifications and professional bodies that are recognised by the HPCSA for purposes of specialist registration. Some of the top surgeons in South Africa do not hold fellowship in CMSA, but instead are Fellows of The Royal College Of Surgeons. Many specialist psychiatrists do not hold fellowship in CMSA but rather have the qualification M.Med. (Psych).
 
This is factually incorrect.

Specialists need not hold fellowship in The Colleges of Medicine of South Africa (CMSA). There are other qualifications and professional bodies that are recognised by the HPCSA for purposes of specialist registration. Some of the top surgeons in South Africa do not hold fellowship in CMSA, but instead are Fellows of The Royal College Of Surgeons. Many specialist psychiatrists do not hold fellowship in CMSA but rather have the qualification M.Med. (Psych).

yes if they specialise overseas .... dude stop googling this. Every psychiatrist i know has FC Psych
 
@op - No parenting failure from what i can see, you have a young independant man in your life who is trying to find his way in the world on his own terms and in his own way, with i will say some good morals.
Give him his space allow him to breath and encourage the values he already shows.

Learning to drive without your knowlwdge - independant
Taking the car to help a friend in need , not joy riding shows strength of character, and morals regarding his view on friends (plus it was a sense of adventure for him i am sure :)) and i have no doubt in the back of his mind he did know the risks involved although he would never really admit it to you , as his parent.

The important thing is ,did he manage and succeed in assisting his friend?

The fact that his siblings are doing xyz should never matter in any way, and pointing this out is only really negative reinforcement on him and his self esteem.
I hope you never ever say "look how succesful a or b is, what are you doing with your life etc etc"
major fail if so.

Boarding school was simpler in my day, sneaking out the hostel or sneaking a smoke or drink was hostel "tradition" which was followed up with six of the best if caught, also another hostel tradition. You werent really considered accepted until you had "six of the best" for some or other infraction.
Simpler, less complicated times. :)

And if your son isnt accademically inclined so what, there are many careers, trades that do not require endless hours of meaningless classroom time in an outdated, old fashioned system that schools rather than educates people.
Good for you, for taking him off the "Kiddie Cocaine", it is the last thing a young independant, developing mind needs.
Ahh, thanks for that..that made me laugh and puts a different perspective on him I guess. When he did his career test thing last year, it was recommended that he would do well as a "helper"..fire fighter, policeman, vet assistant etc. He has a huge amount of compassion for his fellow man.(much to his detriment sometimes). Just to point out, we have never pointed out his sisters achievements against his own failures to him, we know he is nothing like them and there is no comparison.

Just to reiterate, I strongly believe he is not on drugs, he takes very good care of himself and his body..often I ask him what happened to xy as we don't see him anymore and he will say he is on drugs so he won't hang with them.

Thanks again for all the advice and opinions, some I didn't want to read but needed to as it was more than likely true and we all know the truth hurts :p. I think we know what we need to do going forward. Get him to finish the year, reconnect with him and lay down our ground rules and stick with them, be consistent in our parenting approach with him. Admittedly, I do tend to over-compensate when he is home or when we visit him because he is away most of the time.(make excuses and defend him). Like some have pointed out, I may have been too soft with him. The husband accuses me of this too. I hate to say this but my mother is the same with him, we can't help it but are like bears with him. In hindsight, it's done him no favors. And yes, maybe he did feel a sense of abandonment(ouch) and boarding school didnt work out for him clearly, but we couldn't have known that at the time.

So, we haven't had a call back from the school yet but he will be there on the first day, and I feel bad about that as no teacher wants a clown in their class(Picard , I can imagine what you are thinking)but at this stage, we have no choice.

Things really can't get any worse at this stage so it's onwards and upwards :D
Thanks again and will update if there is anything to add, at a later time hopefully that he has matriculated and a successful lawyer/accountant etc haha. :p
 
yes if they specialise overseas .... dude stop googling this. Every psychiatrist i know has FC Psych

No, RiaX. Again you are wrong. M.Med. (...) is a masters degree in (...) conferred by various South African universities and is recognised by the HPCSA for purposes of specialist registration.

The reason you only know psychiatrists with FC (Psych) is because UKZN follows this route.
 
Oh yes, the husband finds his "ways" extremely bewildering. He is a straight arrow, has always done what is expected of him, never broken rules and nerdy lol to best describe him and find its hard to accept that our son cant be similarly mannered (and like the girls) although they do happen to share traits. They don't share many common interests sadly. Our son plays sport and gyms, his father the geek. This doesn't make him a bad father btw, as I myself, am not like my daughters, they are their father through and through.

This morning I put him in a good mood :p and then told him. He took it surprisingly well, and despite an initial blow up, he then just sighed and is resigned/calm and trying not to be too angry. (lol, to the fact that we will still have him home living with us at 30 haha). At the end of the day, he is still our son and we love him.

I totally agree. None of what you have said makes you or your Hubby out to be bad parents at all.

I had a similar situation actually. My Parents split at age 11, dad remarried and eventually divorced her and moved to the UK at age 16. My mom having had me quite young, hit a partying bend throughout my high school years. I lived mostly with my Grandparents and went to boarding school for the whole of high school.
I think the saving graces for me, were that my Grandparents were/are awesome. They were very much like my parents while I was growing up anyway, so I didn't really feel much abandonment over it. I also understood my mom's need to party a little. The important thing there was that we still had a great line of communication. We could talk about anything and she was basically the coolest mom for a teenager to have.

So the reason that I am telling you this story, is that I thought I had no sense of abandonment. But I just didn't have a catalyst to set it off. My mom never tried to discipline me while I was still in high school. Then when I left high school, I moved back in with my mom. All was great until she tried to discipline me and all hell would break loose. I realised then that damage had been done, I just hadn't noticed it until that point.
Had my mom tried to do much "parenting" during those high school years, I probably would have acted out earlier.

In fact if you asked anyone that ever met me, they would have said that I was an angel, very much like your son. Very polite and well mannered; kind and considerate; never naughty or over the top on anything. There was just that one issue, where I ended up losing respect for my mother, without even realising it myself.

I tell you this so that you can draw the parallels to your own situation. From the outside looking in, as someone that has been on the inside of a similar situation; He has lost some respect for you and his dad. Whether he acknowledges it himself or not.
That respect is very hard to get back. It is doable of course, but as others have said, it will require a lot of time and devotion.

None of this makes you a bad parent at all. Other kids could have gone through what I went through (I have obviously left out other specific details) and turned into career criminals, or drug addicts. Others may have come out the other end completely motivated and turned into multimillionaires at age 23. So it is not as much about the parenting as it is about the personality of the kid.

Good luck and don't give in. With work you can salvage this.
 
That's an incredibly horrible response. Alot of people send their kids to boarding school for different reasons. He gets ample attention, he doesn't feel abandoned, he is a weekly boarder and spends his weekends with my mom in an awesome town that he loves. He doesn't enjoy comming back to the city during school holidays. We make every effort to regularly travel up to see him and spend tome with him. And really, he hasn't had a hiding in many years, maybe that was our big mistake. Next time I'm out, will pop in at the library for the parenting manual 101 that I clearly forgot to read that tells us how to do everything right and be perfect parents.

I'm probably late to this but do you think this is the best idea?
When my son goes to my mom or my wives mom he generally comes back a bit of a **** because he is overly pampered and allowed to do what he wants.
That is not a good life lesson, that is granny spoiling him.
Fine for a day or 2 but not every wknd as your mom has essentially become his discipline of which there seems to be very little if he lives with granny.

Lol, it is! But I think that was just a experiment thing, he takes his health very seriously, works out, he is too vain to take drugs.

I smoke dope and have done for over 15 yrs.
That does not mean I do not take my health seriously.
Smoking dope does not create a monster.

That's beside the point though.

Reading this thread has left me thinking he is being given far too much leeway.
Has anyone sat him down and discussed logic, common sense, etc. with him?
I mean really explained it to him and made him understand the error of his ways?
 
Who else is thinking along these lines?
Carol35 = Humberto
 
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