Paris Protests over Pension reforms

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Damn, I'm heading to Paris on Wednesday for a conference. Should be fun.
 
Raising retirement age is a bad sign. Their pension funds are in trouble and I suspect that it was bled dry. This is buying time and hoping to get more funds in. They need to get rid of Macron and have him prosecuted and executed if need be.
 
rvZA said:
Raising retirement age is a bad sign. Their pension funds are in trouble and I suspect that it was bled dry. This is buying time and hoping to get more funds in. They need to get rid of Macron and have him prosecuted and executed if need be.
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Lets go back to life in the 60's with stay at home mums, and one bread winner.

Fix that, then everything else gets fixed.

How do you ask?

Outlaw corporations.

#bringbacktheeighties
#bringbackmomandpopshops
 
Interesting. Spot the mistake.

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World Bank immigration stats for France: only until 2017, I wonder why?

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Pak Fa Fui said:
You are the mistake, this has nothing to do with migration, like nothing at all, not even close, like zero, zero, zero
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:ROFL:
And where does the money come from for the economic migrants' pensions?

Skud jou kop, laat jou ore jou kan wakker klap.
 
Pegasus said:
Are all the migrants over 62 and claiming pensions?
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I never said so, but there are many of them and they are not contributing generally to the socialist fiscus, on the contrary they are draining it.
 
RonSwanson said:
I never said so, but there are many of them and they are not contributing generally to the socialist fiscus, on the contrary they are draining it.
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Don‘t they ring fence the pension money from the other social fiscus?
From what I understand the issue is more around France having declining birth rates, and people living longer and using up more pension money.
Not having enough young workers to support the older ones with their contributions is the main issue they are trying to solve.

So one way to solve it is to raise the pension age. Another solution is to get more young migrants to make up for the low birth rates.:p

The migrants will obviously be a drain on other resources until they are hopefully able to contribute more than they cost.
 
So retirement age was last changed in 2010 from 60 to 62.

We have some very angry and passionate okes yet nary an article or dataset explaining the issue, lets post some stuff that actually has some info.

This is from Jan 2023.

www.bbc.com

French plan to raise retirement age by two years to 64

The Macron government's reforms immediately prompt calls for strike action by unions on 19 January.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

The retirement age will be raised gradually by three months a year, starting in September, she explained. By 2027 it would reach 63 years and 3 months, and the target age of 64 in 2030. The proposals include:
  • A full pension from 2027 will require working for 43 years (instead of 42 years currently)
  • Guaranteed minimum pension income of not less than 85% of the net minimum wage, roughly €1,200 (£1,060) per month at current levels, for new retirees
  • Police officers, prison guards, air traffic controllers and other public workers in jobs deemed physically or mentally arduous will keep the right to retire early
  • Their retirement age will be increased by the same number of years as the wider labour force
  • End to so-called "special regimes" with different retirement ages and benefits for rail workers, electricity and gas workers, among others.
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The pension was last changed in 2010, from 60 to 62.

www.theguardian.com

French retirement age change to 62 becomes law

President Nicolas Sarkozy sees through controversial increase in the minimum retirement age
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

France's current early retirement age is about average.

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The current average full retirement age.

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The issue is that France has one of the highest amount of people who stay in retirement before dying.

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Idiots moaning about deadbeat illegals, which has nothing to do with the current issue. The problem is that Frenchmen aren't dying fast enough.

For example, countries like Denmark have recently increased their retirement age, and expected to change it again in 2030.


Entitlement to pension is acquired on the basis of residence in Denmark and is thus not conditional on payment of contributions. The public retirement age is currently 66 years but will be increased gradually to 67 years in the period 2021- 22 and to 68 in 2030.
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Vorastra said:
This is the same Swanson who had a btch fit at me in the Eskom thread for not knowing what they're talking about, but yet is now talking about sht he has no clue about in this thread.

Ironic.
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He has a hardon for migrants and is trying to make anything about them. Pretty much derailing his own thread.

Retirement legislation has a long history in France and it is hard to reform/adapt it to modern times. I'm glad Macron is going with it, and imho should have kept his original proposal at 65.
 
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