Paris Protests over Pension reforms

[Pegging]

This is the same Swanson who had a btch fit at me in the Eskom thread for not knowing what they're talking about, but yet is now talking about sht he has no clue about in this thread.

Ironic.

Different threads. Different topics.

 

[Vorastra]

Different threads. Different topics.

But he's being retarded in this thread, hence why I commented here.

I seem to have also contributed more in this thread with actual info than the oke who started it.

Going on about deadbeat migrants which has nothing to do with the current issue.

 

[Vorastra]

The funny part is that Macron said he was going to do this during his election run, and people still voted for him.

Macron, unions head for French pension reform showdown

The French should work two years longer to age 64 before retiring, the government said on Tuesday, announcing an unpopular pension system overhaul that immediately prompted unions to call for strikes and protests.

www.reuters.com

Overhauling the pension system was a central pillar of Macron's reformist agenda when he entered the Elysee Palace in 2017. But he shelved his first attempt in 2020 as the government battled to contain COVID-19.

What's also funny is the same people on this forum who support these protests are the same okes that are against literally every protest here in South Africa.

 

[Pegging]

The funny part is that Macron said he was going to do this during his election run, and people still voted for him.

Macron, unions head for French pension reform showdown

The French should work two years longer to age 64 before retiring, the government said on Tuesday, announcing an unpopular pension system overhaul that immediately prompted unions to call for strikes and protests.

www.reuters.com

What's also funny is the same people on this forum who support these protests are the same okes that are against literally every protest here in South Africa.

He only got 27.9% of the vote last time.

2022 French presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Managed 58.5% in round 2.

 

[Vorastra]

He only got 27.9% of the vote last time.

2022 French presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Managed 58.5% in round 2.

So he won with a majority. Which is the point of a two-round system. To determine a majority winner.

 

[Pegging]

So he won with a majority. Which is the point of a two-round system. To determine a majority winner.

27% in round one doesn’t make him popular

 

[Vorastra]

27% in round one doesn’t make him popular

Literally one president since 1958 has had a public opinion higher than 50%.

All French presidents in recent memory have been unpopular.



If they didn't want pension reform (lol), they should've voted for Le Pen who wasn't overt about pension reform.

Not that it would actually make a difference. No matter the administration, overt or not, pension reforms are economically required considering the current issues with life expectancy.

 

[Pegging]

Literally one president since 1958 has had a public opinion higher than 50%.

All French presidents in recent memory have been unpopular.

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If they didn't want pension reform (lol), they should've voted for Le Pen who wasn't overt about pension reform.

Not that it would actually make a difference. No matter the administration, overt or not, pension reforms are economically required considering the current issues with life expectancy.

Yes, so 72% of people had someone else in mind as a first choice.

So providing some context for your quote here:
“The funny part is that Macron said he was going to do this during his election run, and people still voted for him.”

So he is slightly more popular than the DA is here.

 

[Vorastra]

Yes, so 72% of people had someone else in mind as a first choice.

So providing some context for your quote here:
“The funny part is that Macron said he was going to do this during his election run, and people still voted for him.”

And then with the added context that in the second round with 72% turnout, 58.5% of people chose Macron over Le Pen as their final choice.

The majority of people, who voted, wanted Macron. Now suck it up.

Also with your ridiculous logic, if we just talk about round 1 2022, no matter who won, the majority would always want someone else because no one got >50% in round 1.

So nothing means anything then.

 

[Pegging]

And then with the added context that in the second round with 72% turnout, 58.5% of people chose Macron over Le Pen as their final choice.

The majority of people, who voted, wanted Macron. Now suck it up.

Also with your ridiculous logic, if we just talk about round 1 2022, no matter who won, the majority would always want someone else because no one got >50% in round 1.

So nothing means anything then.

The first round results would be the results of a verified election. It is an actual fact that 72.1% of people did not vote for him. Meaning that the majority did not want him.

Not sure about your logic, lol

 

[Vorastra]

The first round results would be the results of a verified election. It is an actual fact that 72.1% of people did not vote for him. Meaning that the majority did not want him.

The majority did want him because the majority of voters decided to vote in a second round specifically to choose a majority winner.

You can just say you're wrong, bro. It's not hard.

Not sure about your logic, lol

My logic where the majority of voters then decided to vote again in a second round with two of the winners from the last round as choices, and then chose Macron over the other choice.

Must I keep repeating myself until you understand that a majority of voters then voted in a second round with two choices and then chose Macron.

Should I say it again.

 

[Gone Fishing]

Idiots moaning about deadbeat illegals, which has nothing to do with the current issue. The problem is that Frenchmen aren't dying fast enough.

For example, countries like Denmark have recently increased their retirement age, and expected to change it again in 2030.

https://www.oecd.org/els/public-pensions/PAG2021-country-profile-Denmark.pdf

I blame this

 

[RonSwanson]

Don‘t they ring fence the pension money from the other social fiscus?
From what I understand the issue is more around France having declining birth rates, and people living longer and using up more pension money.
Not having enough young workers to support the older ones with their contributions is the main issue they are trying to solve.

So one way to solve it is to raise the pension age. Another solution is to get more young migrants to make up for the low birth rates.

The migrants will obviously be a drain on other resources until they are hopefully able to contribute more than they cost.

I find that hard to believe if I examine the age demographics, which I strongly doubt has change much since the sixties. The money went somewhere else.

The problem is that once you adopt socialist policies, you submit your freedoms to the government, who will push non-democratic laws.

 

[Vorastra]

I blame this

I blame all that life-giving wine and cheese.

 

[Pegging]

The majority did want him because the majority of voters decided to vote in a second round specifically to choose a majority winner.

You can just say you're wrong, bro. It's not hard.


My logic where the majority of voters then decided to vote again in a second round with two of the winners from the last round as choices, and then chose Macron over the other choice.

Must I keep repeating myself until you understand that a majority of voters then voted in a second round with two choices and then chose Macron.

Should I say it again.

So one more time. In the first round where people could vote for anyone. They gave him 27.9%.
Not a majority of the voters.

 

[Vorastra]

I find that hard to believe if I examine the age demographics, which I strongly doubt has change much since the sixties. The money went somewhere else.

Meanwhile back in reality.

 

[Vorastra]

So one more time. In the first round where people could vote for anyone. They gave him 27.9%.
Not a majority of the voters.

And then in the second round where everyone was forced to choose between the two highest from the first round because the French constitution requires that a single candidate get more than 50%, (almost) the same people decided to vote for Macron where he got 58.5% of the vote.

I can continue.

 

[Pegging]

And then in the second round where everyone was forced to choose between the two highest from the first round because the French constitution requires that a single candidate get more than 50%, the same people (almost) decided to vote for Macron where he got 58.5% of the vote.

I can continue.

What is the difference between first choice and second choice?

You understand that 72.1% of people don’t want him?

Do you think he will get 58% if an election is held now?

 

[Vorastra]

What is the difference between first choice and second choice?

You understand that 72.1% of people don’t want him?

Do you think he will get 58% if an election is held now?

Do you understand that the 72.1% of people who didn't want him were then forced to choose between two candidates in a second round where the majority of voters then chose him.

 

[Pegging]

I find that hard to believe if I examine the age demographics, which I strongly doubt has change much since the sixties. The money went somewhere else.

The problem is that once you adopt socialist policies, you submit your freedoms to the government, who will push non-democratic laws.

I’m not sure what the graph proves. I agree with you on socialism, but this is about a pension fund.