Patrick Lambie vs Mornè Steyn

One thing that has been grinding my balls as of late:

Centers are trained from a young age to run straight and straighten the line. This serves 2 purposes: 1 The wing can receive the ball at speed should the ball be sent out from the centers to the wings. 2 It pulls their defensive line in instead of having them drift to the side. If they do drift the centers get a gap the size of a boiler fitted in the old Iscor plants.

I have noticed the Jacques Fourie and Jean de Villiers have been running skew instead of straightening the line the last 2 seasons. THIS IS PISSING ME OFF TO NO END. They either need to sort this out or make place for people who can run straight. We have some very good centers doing it. Lots of the younger ones in the Currie Cup this weekend has been doing it and that is why the scores are so high.

That's the old school way of looking at the game, ala crash-ball style. Drifting can draw in 2 defenders and open up gaps that the wings need to be alert to - they then need to run a different line, that's all. You need very good communication and understanding between your wings and centres. At least Jean and Jacques actually pass the ball, unlike Wynand who I can count on one hand how many times he spreads the ball properly...
 
I doubt we need to dig up morne vs james in the kicking department.

Morne is a class kicker, to kick 39 tri nations penalties in a row is insane. Has anyone ever done it? Who does butch even play for? i don't watch many currie cup games or super 15
Butch plays for The Lions since returning from playing for Bath in the UK. That's why you haven't seen much of him of late...
 

On my cell, so not loading videos. Like I said, Gio has his moments, there is no doubting that and maybe he will turn into a decent player. His inconsistency is the issue I have and is not someone you want to gamble with in a World Cup.

Frans Steyn has played solidly at fullback so imo there is no need to look elsewhere - we have cover for him in Lambie if necessary and if absolutely desperate, Aplon...:p
 
That's the old school way of looking at the game, ala crash-ball style. Drifting can draw in 2 defenders and open up gaps that the wings need to be alert to - they then need to run a different line, that's all. You need very good communication and understanding between your wings and centres. At least Jean and Jacques actually pass the ball, unlike Wynand who I can count on one hand how many times he spreads the ball properly...

This old school crash ball type of rugby is what is making Sunny Bill Williams to be one of the greatest centers in a very long time. They are running the opposition to shreds with their straight lines. The world has adopted the drifting style for a long time now and since then the Australians have seen it and now they are playing a counter to it. And it's working, very good at that too.
 
Again I think that's a bit harsh. Stormers were the best defensive team in the Super 15 of which Aplon is a component. Everyone of our back line players was made to look fallible and for me it was all the missed tackles around the fringes that created pressure further down the back line.

Quite a bit of the S15 is about the luck of who you get to play. When the Stormers met the Crusaders they got carved up. And they lost to the Reds. Funny that those two teams contributed to the Aussie and All Black teams. Also, the Stormers have Fourie and De Villiers. Put small players on the park and they get run over. And has anyone found our right wing?

Yes - we could argue that the loosies are supposed to stop the rampage, but we had a woefully inexperienced team and then it becomes time for the backs to do some work. And they were found wanting. It might have been okay to hide a player of limited size when you have 14 others who know what they are doing. But the last two games exposed the flaws that are Aplon and Basson. And that no matter how big your heart is (De Jongh) the bigger players will pound you until something cracks
 
This old school crash ball type of rugby is what is making Sunny Bill Williams to be one of the greatest centers in a very long time. They are running the opposition to shreds with their straight lines. The world has adopted the drifting style for a long time now and since then the Australians have seen it and now they are playing a counter to it. And it's working, very good at that too.

That man is a beast - their support play and offloading through the tackle is exceptional, not necessarily their straight running lines...
 
That man is a beast - their support play and offloading through the tackle is exceptional, not necessarily their straight running lines...

I have never seen one of those 2 run anything but straight. The fact that he's a boxer probably helps since those smash tackles can sting a bit :D
 
Point given.

I recall that drop goal. But you can be honest and admit he can't kick them like Francois Steyn :)
F uck, nobody can kick them like Frans Steyn.

I just think Gio is a lot more talented then people give him credit for. He tackles well above his weight division too. So leave him on the right then...

Frans gives the Boks cover at centre, full back and flyhalf and Gio can play 11,14 or 15....

Would love to have seen Frans in Super 15 this season though. Wonder what sort of season he's had at Racing Metro? I thought he was very mediocre when he ran out for the Boks in last years Tri-Nations...
 
F uck, nobody can kick them like Frans Steyn.

I just think Gio is a lot more talented then people give him credit for. He tackles well above his weight division too. So leave him on the right then...

Frans gives the Boks cover at centre, full back and flyhalf and Gio can play 11,14 or 15....

Would love to have seen Frans in Super 15 this season though. Wonder what sort of season he's had at Racing Metro? I thought he was very mediocre when he ran out for the Boks in last years Tri-Nations...

They made it to the Semi's. He was playing Fly-half though.
Gio is a freak of nature sure. I have nothing against the guy, but I'll take Frans above him purely because of the way Frans reads the game and him being able to slot in at any back line position. Some of the tackles Gio made in the Super15 I would never even have attempted. That little guy has the heart of a Lion for sure.
 
Aplon must stay, awesome little dude. Good tackles, good runner. Just give him the possibility of running and he will do well. He cannot do shyte when the ball never goes wide. Once we have all our lads back i expect to see aplon starting and doing really well.
 
Aplon must stay, awesome little dude. Good tackles, good runner. Just give him the possibility of running and he will do well. He cannot do shyte when the ball never goes wide. Once we have all our lads back i expect to see aplon starting and doing really well.

But same can be said about Bjorn Basson.
 
Aplon must stay, awesome little dude. Good tackles, good runner. Just give him the possibility of running and he will do well. He cannot do shyte when the ball never goes wide. Once we have all our lads back i expect to see aplon starting and doing really well.

Once everyone is back you want to see Aplon starting? In what position and who would you sacrifice for him?

BTW, I sincerely hope that I am proven wrong about Aplon - he does have his moments of brilliance but can play the other end of that coin in any game. You never know. A little like Ricky Januarie, but with a bit more talent...
 
But same can be said about Bjorn Basson.

Basson is a player I would persist with. In the space of 3 seasons he has gone from obscurity to record trie scorer and the Bok right/left wing. Lets be honest no one has really shone in the green and gold since 2009. The harsh reality is we've had a forgettable 2010 and so far 2011...
 
Once everyone is back you want to see Aplon starting? In what position and who would you sacrifice for him?

BTW, I sincerely hope that I am proven wrong about Aplon - he does have his moments of brilliance but can play the other end of that coin in any game. You never know. A little like Ricky Januarie, but with a bit more talent...

mmm, I reckon he's one of the more consistent performers in the Bok setup but again I guess it's subjective... Don't think I've ever read a review where his performance was slated...
 
F uck, nobody can kick them like Frans Steyn.

I just think Gio is a lot more talented then people give him credit for. He tackles well above his weight division too. So leave him on the right then...

Frans gives the Boks cover at centre, full back and flyhalf and Gio can play 11,14 or 15....

Would love to have seen Frans in Super 15 this season though. Wonder what sort of season he's had at Racing Metro? I thought he was very mediocre when he ran out for the Boks in last years Tri-Nations...

He as slow, positionally he wasn't great and he seemed a bit out of pace with the rest of the guys.... I really feel that "Northen" is A LOT slower than "southern". Also they focus a great deal more on set pieces as "southern" teams do more from broken play or stolen possesion when the oppertunity arises.
 
He as slow, positionally he wasn't great and he seemed a bit out of pace with the rest of the guys.... I really feel that "Northen" is A LOT slower than "southern". Also they focus a great deal more on set pieces as "southern" teams do more from broken play or stolen possesion when the oppertunity arises.
I agree,SH is much faster than NH and it has it's impacts. one just need to look at Ruan over the weekend to see the difference.
 
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