Pitbulls

The age group with the second-highest amount of fatalities due to a dog attack are 2-year-old children. Over 88% of these fatalities occurred when the 2-year-old child was left unsupervised with a dog(s) or the child wandered off to the location of the dog.[4]

So almost 90% of attacks happen because of the kids being small and unsupervised, this follows on this

[edit] Factors related to attack incidents

[edit] Human behavior
Many human behaviors (especially by people unfamiliar with dogs) may factor into bite situations. The majority of dogs won't respond to all or even any of these behaviors with aggression, however, some will. These behaviors include:

Challenging for food or water. For example, removing food from a dog, or appearing to intervene between a dog and its food. Even when inadvertent, this may trigger aggressive behavior in some animals.
Attacking (or perceived attacking) a dog or its companions, or encroaching on its territory. Dogs are pack animals; they often have an instinct to defend themselves and those they consider their "pack" (which could be other dogs, humans, or even other animals), and to defend their territory, which may include areas they consider "theirs" or belonging to their family.
Note that attacks may be triggered by behaviors that are perceived as an attack, for example, a sudden unexpected approach or touch by a stranger, or inadvertently stepping on any portion of the dog's anatomy, such as a paw or tail, or startling a sleeping dog unexpectedly. In particular, the territory that a dog recognizes as its own may not coincide with the property lines that its owner and the legal authorities recognize, such as a portion of a neighbor's backyard.

Sickness or injury. A sick or injured dog, or an older animal, like people, may become "cranky" or over-reactive, and may develop a tendency to become "snappish".
Failure to recognize insecurity or fear. Like humans, dogs that feel insecure may ultimately turn and defend themselves against perceived threat. It is common for people to not recognize signs of fear or insecurity, and to approach, triggering a defensive reaction.
Intervention when dogs fight. When dogs fight, a human stepping in between, or seeking to restrain one of them without due care, may be badly bitten as well.
Threatening body language. Especially including direct staring (an act of dominance or aggression) or a person not known to the dog moving their face very close to the animal's own snout (may be perceived as a challenge, threatening, or imposing). Staring is more dangerous when on the same visual level as the dog (such as small children), or when the human is unfamiliar.
Prey behaviors. Dogs retain many of their predatory instincts, including the chasing of prey. Running away from a dog or behaving in a manner suggesting weakness, may trigger predatory behaviors such as chasing or excited attack. For example, the instinct to jerk one's hands upwards away from an inquisitive dog may elicit a strong impulse to grab and hold.
Ignoring warning signs. Trained attack dogs may act against an intruder without warning.

[edit] Dog behavior
Many adoption agencies test for aggressive behavior in dogs, and euthanize an animal that shows certain types of aggression. Alternatively, aggression can often be addressed with appropriate corrective training. Sources of aggression include:

Dominance. Dogs as pack animals will often seek to dominate others in their pack or family (acquire more status and authority) if they feel they are able. A dog that seeks to dominate may use aggression as a means to elevate its perceived power and authority, or to make others respect its wishes and not challenge it. Pet owners are generally encouraged to not allow a dog to become overly dominant due to the aggressive behavior that may result.
Dominance may include "pushy" behavior, refusal to show respect or obedience to humans, attempted "ownership" of high status locations such as beds, sofas, or doorways, and in general, any type of behavior the animal sees as furthering a dominant social role.

Fear and self-defense. Like humans, dogs react when fearful, and may feel driven to attack out of self defense, even when not in fact being "attacked". Speed of movement, noises, objects or specific gestures such as raising an arm or standing up may elicit a reaction. Many rescued dogs have been abused, and in some dogs, specific fears of men, women, skin coloring, and other features that recall past abusers, are not uncommon. A dog that feels cornered or without recourse may as a last option, attack the human who is threatening or attacking it. A dog may also perceive a hand reached out toward its head as an attempt to gain control of the dog's neck via the collar, which if done to a wary dog by a stranger can easily provoke a bite.
Territoriality and possessions. See above. Aggressive possessiveness is considered a very important type of aggression to test for, since it is most associated with bites, especially bites to children.[citation needed]
Predatory instincts. In isolation, predatory behaviors are rarely the cause of an attack on a human, although with large dogs or very small children this may sometimes occur.[citation needed] Predatory aggression is more commonly involved as a contributing factor for example in attacks by multiple dogs; a "pack kill instinct" may arise if multiple dogs are involved in an attack.[citation needed]
Pain or sickness. See above. As with fear, pain can incite a dog to attack. The canonical example of sickness-induced attack is the virulent behavior caused by rabies.
Redirected aggression. A dog that is already excited/aroused by an aggressive instinct from one source, uses an available target to release its aggression.

[edit] Training and aggression
In a domestic situation, canine aggression is normally suppressed. Exceptions are if the dog is trained to attack, feels threatened, or is provoked. It is important to remember that dogs are predators by nature, instinct is something that never completely disappears, and that predatory behavior against other animals (such as chasing other animals) may train a dog or a pack of dogs to attack humans. It is possible to acclimatize a dog to common human situations in order to avoid adverse reactions by a pet. Dog experts advocate removal of a dog's food, startling a dog, and performing sudden movements in a controlled setting to teach the dog who its leader is, to defuse aggressive impulses in common situations. This also allows better animal care since owners may now remove an article directly from a dog's mouth or transport a wounded pet to seek medical attention.

Small children are especially prone to being misunderstood by dogs, in part because their size and movements can be similar to prey. Also, young children may unintentionally provoke a dog (pulling on ears or tails is common, as is surprising a sleeping dog) because of their inexperience. Because of a dog's pack instincts, more dominant dogs may view children or even complacent adults as rivals rather than as superiors, and attempt to establish dominance by physical means. Any attempt at dominant behavior, no matter how tentative, should be firmly discouraged as soon as possible, to affirm to the dog that all humans are pack superiors. To avoid potential conflicts, even reliably well-behaved children and dogs should not be allowed to interact in the absence of adult supervision.

Dogs with strong chase instincts, especially shepherds, may fail to recognize a person as a being not to be herded. They may fixate on a specific aspect of the person, such as a fast-moving, brightly colored shoe, as a prey object. This is probably the cause for the majority of non-aggressive dogs chasing cyclists and runners. In these cases, if the individual stops, the dog often loses interest since the movement has stopped. This is not always the case, and aggressive or territorial dogs might take the opportunity to attack.

Additionally, most dogs who bark aggressively at strangers, particularly when not on "their" territory, will flee if the stranger challenges it. Conversely, there is always the danger of the occasional dog who will stand its ground and escalate the situation. Mailmen, being the classic example, provoke a strong territorial response because they come back day after day to the dog's territory. In the dog's mind they are constantly challenging them for territory and that sets up a learned behavior
 
Well you seem to not fully understand that a lot of dogs are animals we have domisticated by providing food and warm stable home, should we choose to bring out their natural way of living then there will be trouble?
 
Well you seem to not fully understand that a lot of dogs are animals we have domisticated by providing food and warm stable home, should we choose to bring out their natural way of living then there will be trouble?

Err .. we didnt domesticate the pit bull, we crossed the worst traits of the most vicious genes in these dogs to produce them to be as deadly as possible in dog fights.
 
Personally I think even brought up in a loving stable home these types of dogs are very unpredictable. It is just in their nature.

I had a bullterrier from a pup, looked after him, loved him etc and most of the time was fine but now and again would snap. He killed 2 cats and unfortunately he was knocked over one day, but I really wouldn’t trust him with a child.
 
thats it; gather your pitch forks we going on a cat hunt.



Pensioner found dead was 'killed by cat'
A woman found dead in her home is believed to have bled to death after her cat punctured a varicose vein in her leg, police said yesterday.

Diana Dick, aged 60, was found by her carer on her bedroom floor in Botley, a suburb of Oxford. She was pronounced dead at the scene on Saturday.

Mrs Dick is believed to have complained to her carer about a cut she had received. The carer, an 18-year-old woman who was covering for a week while her colleague was on holiday, tried to staunch the bleeding with tissues, after which she left the house.

She returned later in the day to find Mrs Dick collapsed on the floor, and tried unsuccessfully to revive her. Her family was said to be furious because she had been left alone despite being injured. They found out she had died when they became concerned about not being able to contact her.

A spokesman for Thames Valley Police said the death was not being treating as suspicious, although a full inquest is to be held to establish the exact cause.

He said:"This was a very unusual death. It seems that the pet cat is the cause of the scratch to the woman's leg and, unfortunately, it clawed a varicose vein.

"The woman was found by paramedics with a substantial amount of blood near the body. It was established that the cat appeared to have punctured the vein, and this contributed to the woman's demise."

A report will be presented to the Oxford coroner today. Doctors said it was possible to die quickly of blood loss from a pierced varicose vein, and that the patient would start to feel faint as the blood drained away, and collapse before they were able to do anything to help themselves.

Friends of Mrs Dick are looking after the cat, a white Persian which she had named Frangipani.
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imho all animals can be unpredicable, they are animals anyways. not to mention all the humans who maul each other to death on a daily basis. both species are a product of their upbrining and their immidiate curcomstances.
 
Yea but many dogs kill cats. Cats on the rampage murdering the humans hahaha, imagine if you trained cats to kill the kinda damage they could do to a child.
 
Err .. we didnt domesticate the pit bull, we crossed the worst traits of the most vicious genes in these dogs to produce them to be as deadly as possible in dog fights.

Wrong, the breed was to get the build for the dog, not their aggression. The dogs where bred for fighting bulls and bears. The mixed lines where to give them the build needed to be fighting these animals. It had nothing to do with aggression. The agression side is there like in any animal. You too have agression, but the agression needs to be harnessed through training unless it's just instinct.

I honestly thought you would atleast know that
 
To be so deadly they need the training, some random pitbull puppy that lives with me would have no idea how to fight like that because the agression has not been brought out. Besides do you know how sick bear fighting is they put that dog against a bear with no claws or teeth. Now tell me are bears bad?

Humans are very sick, far worse than a pitbull. Why don't you hate all humans when we do the things we do, yet a few stories about pitbulls and you hate the breed. Rape, murder i mean the things we do to each other is far worse than a pitbull attacking a child. Are all humans bad?
 
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I respect owners who treat their dogs properly and have dependable, loving pets. However, certain types like Pitbulls (kindly explain the origin of the name, please?) have the ability to be more harmful than others. I'd sooner attempt to befriend a calm-looking Boerboel, Labrador or German Shepherd, than a calm Rottweiller, Doberman or Pitbull. Those are simply more viscious IMO.
 
Wrong, the breed was to get the build for the dog, not their aggression. The dogs where bred for fighting bulls and bears. The mixed lines where to give them the build needed to be fighting these animals. It had nothing to do with aggression. The agression side is there like in any animal. You too have agression, but the agression needs to be harnessed through training unless it's just instinct.

I honestly thought you would atleast know that

The bull and bear baiting was (and I quote wiki) "Mastiff type dogs".. you must have missed that.

Mastiff type dogs also have a long history in England; they are thought to have been brought by the Celts. It is also known that the Normans introduced the Alaunt. These dogs were used in battle and for guarding, but they also served utilitarian purposes, such as farm work. Specifically, these dogs accompanied farmers into the fields to assist with bringing bulls in for breeding, castration, or slaughter. The dogs, known generally as bulldogs, protected the farmer by subduing the bull if it attempted to gore him. Typically a dog would do this by biting the bull on the nose and holding on to the violently struggling bull despite injury. These traits permitted the development and rise of the bloody sports of bull-baiting and bear-baiting. In Elizabethan England, these spectacles were popular forms of entertainment, comparable to Shakespearean plays which often took place right next to the bear baiting pits in Southwark. However, in 1835, bull-baiting and bear-baiting were abolished by Parliament as cruel, and the custom died out over the following years.

Dog fighting, which could be carried out under clandestine measures, blossomed. Since Bulldogs proved too ponderous and uninterested in dog fighting, the Bulldogs were crossed with English White and Black and Tan Terriers. They were also bred to be intelligent and level-headed during fights and remain non-aggressive toward their handlers. Part of the standard for organized dog-fighting required that the match referee who is unacquainted with the dog be able to enter the ring, pick up a dog while it was engaged in a fight, and get the respective owner to carry it out of the ring without being bitten. Dogs that bit the referee were culled. The phrase 'man eaters die' was commonly known and reflects how aggression was not tolerated towards any person by any dog.

As a result, Victorian fighting dogs (Staffordshire Bull Terriers and, though less commonly used as fighters, English Bull Terriers) generally had stable temperaments and were commonly kept in the home by the gambling men who owned them.

During the mid-1800s, immigration to the United States from Ireland and England brought an influx of these dogs to America, mainly to Boston, where they were bred to be larger and stockier, working as farm dogs in the West as much as fighting dogs in the cities. The resulting breed, also called the American Pit Bull Terrier,
 
Personally I think even brought up in a loving stable home these types of dogs are very unpredictable. It is just in their nature.

I had a bullterrier from a pup, looked after him, loved him etc and most of the time was fine but now and again would snap. He killed 2 cats and unfortunately he was knocked over one day, but I really wouldn’t trust him with a child.

Grimspoon I agree fully. Any wild animal is very unpredictive. That is the only reason I will never let my kids be alone with any animal what so ever. Not even a horse.

Animals are animal, and us being human we get to comfortable with them thinking they are now normal and have an IQ of 120. Seriously, any animal can attack and will atack if you expect it the least. Be it a Pitbull, boerbull, Rotweiler, snake or what ever. They are animals and will act on instinct. That is why if you provide love to these animals, and make them feel secure so they have no need to switch over to instinct mode. Provide a dog a nice loving home and he will provide you with love and security.
 
The bull and bear baiting was (and I quote wiki) "Mastiff type dogs".. you must have missed that.

From your own quote :D

Seriously, read these things first before you post them :D

During the mid-1800s, immigration to the United States from Ireland and England brought an influx of these dogs to America, mainly to Boston, where they were bred to be larger and stockier, working as farm dogs in the West as much as fighting dogs in the cities. The resulting breed, also called the American Pit Bull Terrier
 
So wizard you have basically just told us pitbulls are involved in dog fighting, I was not born in 1800's so i only know the dogs that fight in this day and age.

Wizard are all humans bad? We kill rape and do awful things are we all bad?
 
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Aaaanyways... heres a list of countries who disagree with our forum Pitbull:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_Bull#Bans

Yes and ?

They are just as uneducated in the breed as you are. I'm just glad these dogs still have a home to go to where people love them in other countries like South Africa.

Some of those countries are not even fit to have children.
 
We should ban roosters too. Roosters also fight.

...actaully.... 'Rooster vs. Pitbull' - XMEN VI !!
 
So wizard you have basically just told us pitbulls are involved in dog fighting, I was not born in 1800's so i only know the dogs that fight in this day and age.

Wizard are all humans bad? We kill rape and do awful things are we all bad?

ok
http://www.wtvr.com/Global/story.asp?S=10331393
http://www.independent.ie/national-...ngs-sparks--appeal-for-crackdown-1728501.html
http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=10323947
(recent news articles)

Ganna ignore the red herring about humans / pitbulls.. I dont really wanna own a WW2 german...
 
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