Plato in hot water over immigrant comments

deweyzeph

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#43
How on gods green earth can a country survive if only one province is functioning and that province must cater for every waif and stray. Its not sustainable and to expect one province to be the welfare pot for the whole country is extremely arrogant
Welfare is a national government responsibility, not a provincial one so it actually makes no difference where someone lives in South Africa, the burden is spread equally across all the provinces. Health and education are provincial responsibilities, but funded from a national budget, so again, it effectively makes no difference which province someone who receives free schooling and healthcare lives in, the burden is shared by every single taxpayer in the country.

Now if the provinces had the power to raise their own taxes, which they do not, then you might have an argument about people coming from other parts of South Africa and using services which are paid for by provincial taxpayers. But that is not how our country currently works. Taxes that are used to fund welfare, education and schooling are generated from taxpayers across the entire country.
 

John Tempus

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Yes special, WC are the chief moaners in this regard, no one does it better than them and they won't let any opportunity to complain about people moving into the WC. You must just listen to the DA supporters on this forum complaining about people being bussed into the WC, pathetic.
Based on your logic and perception of complaints it makes 100% sense why the WesternCape is the last functional Provice in SA.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Oh and Immigrants ADD fukall value to anyones lives in SA, keep that liberal trash mentality out of here and serve the SA citizens first.
 

ForceFate

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#48
Based on your logic and perception of complaints it makes 100% sense why the WesternCape is the last functional Provice in SA.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Oh and Immigrants ADD fukall value to anyones lives in SA, keep that liberal trash mentality out of here and serve the SA citizens first.
What are you saying about SA'ans who emigrated to other countries? Are they not adding value to those countries?

Illegal immigrants on the other hand...
 

thechamp

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#49
You'd be surprised about the amount of immigrants from other countries on some small SA towns.
I know, I live in one of the other provinces myself, plenty foreigners there, In the NW, most of them like everybody else still commute to Gauteng for work, from Pretoria to Joburg. There are of course a couple running spaza shops and other small businesses and some working locally.
 

Slootvreter

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What are you saying about SA'ans who emigrated to other countries? Are they not adding value to those countries?

Illegal immigrants on the other hand...
Someone might get into trouble for saying that the average immigrant from Congo or Nigeria adds less value that one from South Africa.
 

jack_spratt

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#54
Its aweful that people excersize their freedom to live where they want in their own country?
No, they have a right to live anywhere in SA.

But its not pleasant for others.

Let me explain, it causes pressure on housing, schooling, transport, traffick. More people is just not nice.
 
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Welfare is a national government responsibility, not a provincial one so it actually makes no difference where someone lives in South Africa, the burden is spread equally across all the provinces. Health and education are provincial responsibilities, but funded from a national budget, so again, it effectively makes no difference which province someone who receives free schooling and healthcare lives in, the burden is shared by every single taxpayer in the country.

Now if the provinces had the power to raise their own taxes, which they do not, then you might have an argument about people coming from other parts of South Africa and using services which are paid for by provincial taxpayers. But that is not how our country currently works. Taxes that are used to fund welfare, education and schooling are generated from taxpayers across the entire country.
And jobs?
 

Nerfherder

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I don't think its ironic at all.... perhaps depends on your POV ?

Former coloniser countries are better off mainly because of the resources they pillaged out of the colonies.
So makes a lot of sense that people would be moving from a derelict colony to a prosperous coloniser.
 

jack_spratt

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So the previous migrants don't like the new migrants?
Well, there was loads of space the first time around..

Also, pre 94, migrants came with skills and disposable money to take care of themselves.

This new crop have nothing much in terms of skills and cash and must rely on others.
 
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