Plato in hot water over immigrant comments

John Tempus said:
Oh and Immigrants ADD fukall value to anyones lives in SA, keep that liberal trash mentality out of here and serve the SA citizens first.
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I guess you must be the 8th wonder of the world everybody was looking for, right?

Signed: a leech ADDING fukall value to anyone's life (but who knows how to use apostrophes and agreements at least). :rolleyes:
 
Stephen said:
Hmm although in Hout Bay it actually did happen, from the Eastern Cape if my memory serves me correctly.
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Not to mention when Durban gathered some the homeless of the CBD and bussed them to Cape Town - just when Helen took over. They were really unprepared for the Cape Town winter coming from warm Durban
 
Plato says: “If you must see how we must trim the budget. We pay, currently as we speak, 99 percent for those coming into the Western Cape. The two of us pay for them.

“They can’t fend for themselves. Lots and lots of our budgets go into them, unfortunately, and that is a challenge, a major challenge and one has to bear that in mind,” he says.
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ANC and fellow comrades:
We want a welfare state and open borders for the whole of Africa.
The DA:
Someone has to pay for it.
The ANC and fellow comrades:
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deweyzeph said:
Welfare is a national government responsibility, not a provincial one so it actually makes no difference where someone lives in South Africa, the burden is spread equally across all the provinces. Health and education are provincial responsibilities, but funded from a national budget, so again, it effectively makes no difference which province someone who receives free schooling and healthcare lives in, the burden is shared by every single taxpayer in the country.

Now if the provinces had the power to raise their own taxes, which they do not, then you might have an argument about people coming from other parts of South Africa and using services which are paid for by provincial taxpayers. But that is not how our country currently works. Taxes that are used to fund welfare, education and schooling are generated from taxpayers across the entire country.
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Except for DORA - Division of Revenue Act - which is why Northern Cape have a higher budget per person than the Western Cape. You not being truthfull. Compare what each province get vs the number of people the province serviced. Just Because WC is more effective and efficient with its monies compared to the other 8 provinces does not means that there is no burden on them.
 
thechamp said:
No, the Madam also has a problem with refugees, remember?
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The constitution requires the provinces to allocate resources to things like health and education.
The "problem" the Zille had, was that the Western Cape was receiving a lot of people from other provinces and the national government wasn't re-allocating the funds to the Western Cape as they are meant to.
When this red herring has been tossed to death in this teacup storm, we can get down to focusing on the real issue: the fact that so many children are denied the right to the basic education guaranteed in our Constitution. That is the real scandal.

The Western Cape and Gauteng (and to a lesser extent KwaZulu-Natal) already pick up this responsibility on behalf of other provinces, and we could do a great deal more if we were allocated the funds that are currently poured down the bottomless pit of the Eastern Cape and Limpopo's corruption-plagued governments, where they don't have the capacity to identify "ghost schools", let alone "ghost teachers".
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https://www.politicsweb.co.za/news-and-analysis/the-educational-refugees-debate-helen-zilles-reply

The "people" wanted a centrally planned educational and health system where the government would send resources to areas as needed. The people get a centrally planned government and health system where the resources go to the areas which are needed (aka the pocketbook of ANC leaders)
 
deweyzeph said:
Welfare is a national government responsibility, not a provincial one so it actually makes no difference where someone lives in South Africa, the burden is spread equally across all the provinces. Health and education are provincial responsibilities, but funded from a national budget, so again, it effectively makes no difference which province someone who receives free schooling and healthcare lives in, the burden is shared by every single taxpayer in the country.
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Except the national government doesn't allocate the funds correctly and as quickly as they need to.

If only there were a way to allocated funds for healthcare and education directly to individuals. That solves the problem completely and fairly.
 
deweyzeph said:
Jobs are a function of a successful economy. People move to where the jobs are. Once you take away the argument that people move to a different province to get access to better benefits (which as I've explained is simply not possible in the current nationally funded social welfare model that South Africa uses) then it's all about the economy. It's the reason someone from the Eastern Cape would rather live in a tin shack next to an open sewer in Khayalitsha in Cape Town than in their family kraal in the middle of the rural Transkei.

It's the right of every South African citizen to move freely whereever they desire within the borders of South Africa to put food on the table of their families. Provinces are not nation states and likewise do not have citizens whose rights need to be protected. That is the job of the national government. Just because someone is poor and from another province does not mean they have any less right to move to another province to take advantage of economic opportunities.
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So the rate payers at these successful areas must just fork out more and more to support people that come from other provinces? How fair is that?
 
**waits until people realise which population groups grew the most over the last 10yrs and then reverse course on kicking out Cpt immigrants**
 
Yeah, they move down to WC, the funds are staying in the other provinces. There are not nearly enough schools to educate their kids, oh yeah and then they just demand, demand, demand... and then protest/burn stuff.
 
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