PlayStation 4 console officially announced

2012 said:
The PS4 is looking more like a phone than a dedicated gaming machine. Social, video sharing, "take it with you". It even has the iphone white screen interview videos from apple. I bet you there is a way to sign in with facebook or twitter... prob even a trophy to link your accounts.
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lol hahahaha
 
crysis said:
LOL, the ps3 is coming from 512mb of SHARED (system and gpu) ram to 8gb and your telling us its underwhelming?

Plus this will be great for PC gaming. Finally developers can create games that will take advantage of modern hardware.
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The whole announcement is underwhelming... I mean, the GPU is almost half as powerful as GPUs from LAST YEAR already. Only redeeming thing about it is that the ram is DDR5.
 
crysis said:
This console is now using PC architecture, including direct X.
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Park@82 said:
Does the PS4 use Direct X?
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Just to note, Sony never has and never will support Direct3D. Its just an API, the underlying game code itself can be ported quite easily, but it's the optimisations that take the most time. As one other poster has noted, it'll be a derivative of OpenGL and there'll be some OpenCL and Direct Compute thrown into the mix as well.

But no DirectX. Its not needed and Sony has always opted for proprietary development tools.

Khulie said:
The specs are almost the same as the rumored next gen Xbox, wonder why Sony had to quickly announce the PS4 whilist i remember them saying their console will come after Microsoft release their next gen Xbox
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You're missing the point about the next generation. both Sony and Microsoft have colluded together to keep the console market alive. If they spent all their time constantly upstaging each other, development would become too expensive and eventually they'd have to stop and think about the final price. Both consoles are similar CPU-wise, but the Xbox will be capable of 1.2 Teraflops of GPU throughput, which pretty much means a HD7770, while the PS4's GPU throughput is 1.84Tflops.

Also, Sony was a year behind the Xbox 360 and on launch was more expensive. They seem to have learned from their mistakes. Hopefully they carry their vision through and have a successful launch and good product.

rayven_king said:
does anybody know where I can watch/dl the entire conference
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Right here:

[video=youtube;ueImSjmn8iM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueImSjmn8iM[/video]

netcruiser said:
Am I the only one underwhelmed by its specs? The average PC will overtake those specs within a year or two.
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'Twas the same story with the PS3, and look how long they made six year-old hardware last. Closed-off systems are much better optimised and can push through some decent visuals with a little tweaking. Try find a PC from 2005 capable of playing Far Cry 3 at the same level of detail as a console.

kimimaro said:
Whats the point of the screen on the joystick, if not to just increase the price of the stick.
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Likely to enhance the cross-play games that the Vita will be compatible with, as well as to fit in context menus and allow for special gestures like swipes. I'd like to see how Microsoft addresses the lack of space on controllers because they'll likely do the same thing.

Perhaps this is even a collaboration that goes deeper than sharing architecture. Maybe this is similar to the Toyota GT86 and the Subaru BRZ? What if Microsoft employs a similar design?

2012 said:
GPU is almost half as powerful as GPUs from LAST YEAR already. Only redeeming thing about it is that the ram is DDR5.
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Same argument that people had about the Xbox 360 and PS3 on launch. Sadly, the fact that the hardware was or would be slightly out of date within a month after launch didn't matter one bit. All those PC fanbois whining about the current-gen consoles back then were pretty much eventually buying one for themselves.
 
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NAG - Wesley said:
Same argument that people had about the Xbox 360 and PS3 on launch. Sadly, the fact that the hardware was or would be slightly out of date within a month after launch didn't matter one bit. All those PC fanbois whining about the current-gen consoles back then were pretty much eventually buying one for themselves.
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And the PS3 and XBOX360 have held PC gaming back ever since because they have to dev for weak hardware. PS4 is no different, the GPU is already a year old and by the time the PS4 is released later this year (or next year even) it'll be even further behind.

PS3 never reached FULL HD in it's games (save a few games), for 7 years the PS3 was horribly under-speced such that it couldn't even play games at the resolution it boasted that it supported (1080p). Are we going to be stuck at 1080 now for 8 years?
 
I'm worried about this "download the first bit of the game and in the background it downloads the rest". Sounding like a move to downloadable games only. In other words, there might not be a 2nd hand market for some games, and I usually only get games 2nd hand.
 
2012 said:
PS3 never reached FULL HD in it's games (save a few games), for 7 years the PS3 was horribly under-speced such that it couldn't even play games at the resolution it boasted that it supported (1080p). Are we going to be stuck at 1080 now for 8 years?
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Probably, yes. Its bears reminding that at the launch of both consoles, neither Sony nor Microsoft predicted that 1080p would invade the lounge with as much gusto as it did. Microsoft didn't even anticipate the 1080 revolution and waited over a year until the HDMI-compatible version of the sexbox came out.

Its also a lot to do with the hardware available at the time. You have to take into account what they were dealing with back in 2005:

  • No unified shaders from contemporary GPU designs - the Xenos GPU in the Xbox was the first design to have unified shaders
  • No GDDR3 RAM available in great quantities. The PS3's RSX was actually using a very early version of GDDR3. The Xenos GPU in the Xbox 360 had to share regular DDR3 RAM with the processor.
  • Lack of pixel shaders because they were cut out to save on space
  • Constrained bandwidth because large-bit buses weren't commonplace
  • HCDP, GPU-accelerated Blu-Ray decoding was all in infancy and still very, very new.
All of the hardware inside both consoles on launch was on par with the current generation, some of it had features you'd only see in products launching a year later. Both consoles are capable of 1080p, but at the expense of in-game textures and, in the PS3's case, anti-aliasing.
 
eltherza said:
I'm worried about this "download the first bit of the game and in the background it downloads the rest". Sounding like a move to downloadable games only. In other words, there might not be a 2nd hand market for some games, and I usually only get games 2nd hand.
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I read somewhere that both Sony and MS are doing away with the ability to play secondhand games, which, if true is a pity
 
reliability is another factor not mentioned yet...
Going to be crucial that people are confident in the product, considering the money they will be spending...
will they have to replace the console a year later...?

Lets hope they get it right first time...
I will not be investing until they either give a longer guarantee or other buyers confirm the reliability.
 
Reaver.ZA said:
"PlayStation 4 will not block used games"
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...gamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games
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""Yes. That's the general expectation by consumers," said Yoshida. "They purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation.""

That's if they make a disc for it. feels like they are trying hard to make software purchases more accessible (or even exclusively software only AAA games?). I fear the "disc" will drop away altogether.
 
Demon7 said:
reliability is another factor not mentioned yet...
Going to be crucial that people are confident in the product, considering the money they will be spending...
will they have to replace the console a year later...?

Lets hope they get it right first time...
I will not be investing until they either give a longer guarantee or other buyers confirm the reliability.
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This is Sony, not Microsoft. It will work forever.
 
Not trying to blow the roof off the barn this time around is the right way to go because it'll allow them to hit profitability quicker and be able to sell the consoles cheaper at launch. Cheap reliable consoles is the way to go.

Watch dogs once again looked pretty awesome. I think i might have shed a tear.

[video=youtube;MmVLRX0z7RU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MmVLRX0z7RU[/video]
 
The guys going on about underwhelming specs and a gpu that's already last season don't really understand the concept of a console... You need to remember, a console isn't going to have top of the range hardware simply to keep the cost as low as possible. If they were to spec it out s you'd like a pc to be, then what would be the point of having consoles in the first place. Not only that, but it has to be catered into a confined space, similar to those of laptops but at a fraction of the cost.

Not only that, but lets say they did cater for much better specs, you'd be paying bucket loads for hardware that will in a few months time be outdated anyways, and with no option of upgrading hardware like a pc, your argument becomes invalid.

Personally, I love the specs, and trailers are already looking amazing, can't wait for MGS 5 and driveclub is looking aces as well
 
Eina, somewhere out there is a massive group of developers who spent a ton of time and emotional investment into learning how to push the Cell architecture its limits..... now it's all changing. Right?
If true then Microsoft was right all the time....
 
Qwikslver said:
This is Sony, not Microsoft. It will work forever.
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My brother said the same thing about his PS3 ... A few days before he got YLOD.

What's worse, is he had to buy a whole new console. At least I got an XBox replacement after RROD
 
Dolby said:
My brother said the same thing about his PS3 ... A few days before he got YLOD.

What's worse, is he had to buy a whole new console. At least I got an XBox replacement after RROD
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Seems to me trolling is a defacto career for some members :whistle:
 
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