Plugg uncapped is WAY better than MWEB uncapped

IPX-SPX said:
Seems supporting Plugg is like supporting Telkom - unfair advantage anyone? As for Plugg being consistently better than MWEB... As tempted as I am to try them, I have a feeling things are going to get ugly with their ISP clients if IS are effectively selling wholesale to the public. Perhaps it's time for a MyBB article...
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I would only see it as an unfair advantage if they (IS) are offering better pricing or even better service to their own consumer ISP than to their resellers. Is this the case?

As far as I understand, their resellers (openweb etc) are still cheaper than Plugg, so no unfair advantage there. If IS is selling DSL cheaper to Plugg than to their resellers, then there is a case for concern for their resellers.

Plugg is very open over their FUP (something Afrihost struggled to explain to their own users while figuring out how a DSL network fits together) and I am pretty sure you can confirm with IS' current resellers what FUP they follow. If it is the same FUP, then again, where is 'unfair advantage'?

Latest MyBroadBand articles cited IS and AlwaysOn offering free Wifi to all uncapped dsl accounts on the IS network, no matter who the "DSL Reseller". Are you able to show proof where Plugg/IS is being unfair to their own ADSL resellers by selling directly to the public?

Unlike Telkom who did compete against their own clients/users, I still have to see where IS competes against their own resellers, unless you have inside information that you would like to share or even help that MyBB article along? I am not sure of when Plugg started trading, but according to the registrar they registered the domain in 2007.

We all have our favourite ISP and this is one debate that will just carry on and on and on and on :P It is actually a good thing to be able to debate over different DSL network providers and their resellers.

Correct me if I am wrong, but in South Africa we only have the following dsl network providers, those with IPC into Telkom:

- Telkom
- MTN Business (Johannesburg IPC)
- MWEB (Johannesburg, Cape Town & Durban IPC)
- IS (Johannesburg & Cape Town IPC)
- WebAfrica (Cape Town IPC)

- Vodacom Business??


Of course, at the end of the day, we all still want more bandwidth for lower prices in South Africa and hopefully that is the one thing we as consumers can agree on :)

Michael
 
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I am not a fanboy, anyways doesn't matter.

Imaginet, like openweb, is also cheaper than Plugg, and they are reselling IS bandwidth, although I haven't seen a 10mbit uncapped product on their website.
 
Tinuva said:
Imaginet, like openweb, is also cheaper than Plugg, and they are reselling IS bandwidth, although I haven't seen a 10mbit uncapped product on their website.
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Well, I would imagine IS would sell dsl accounts at x, and it is then up to the reseller to decide how much they want to resell it to the consumer, so even if Imaginet is more expensive than Plugg, it could be purely because Imaginet added a high mark-up. If you want to shout unfair pricing, you would have to start your investigation by comparing the price that IS sold the dsl accounts or if its ito bandwidth to the resellers rather than the consumer pricing vs what they sell to Plugg.

Before I get flamed by Imaginet FanBoys, I am merely using them as an example.

Michael
 
Tinuva said:
I am not a fanboy, anyways doesn't matter.

Imaginet, like openweb, is also cheaper than Plugg, and they are reselling IS bandwidth, although I haven't seen a 10mbit uncapped product on their website.
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Hi Tinuva

We do offer 10Mbit accounts, please pm if you would like pricing as we do not advertise it on our website. We have just relaunched our website and pricing please have a look at our new pricing.
 
nicole76 said:
NIGHT AND DAY

So happy with plugg, eww to mwebs oversubscribed greed festival.
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can you use 1tb per month without being throttled or so?

Nah MWEB is the best isp in SA and the other people should just close the doors
 
nelis said:
can you use 1tb per month without being throttled or so?

Nah MWEB is the best isp in SA and the other people should just close the doors
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As an Mweb subscriber who is happy with their service, I'm going to say that you have little clue. If you think Mweb can handle SA's entire ADSL subscriber base, you are sadly mistaken. Perhaps you should just stick with Telkom, they are the original monopoly after all ;)
 
Back when IS was taking the load of Axxess and Afrihost they used to be F*ing awful - from a CPT perspective - could barely ever reach full line speed and the pings weren't good.

Now that the load has shifted, IS is fantastic. I'm using OW Vanilla due to it's price. As far as comparing it to MWEB; I'd say MWEB's peering is a little better than IS (IS doesn't peer with CINX for some stupid reason) but MWEB charges too much.
 
treebsd said:
not sure where you getting your info from, but i can assure you, IS peers at cinx.
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i stand corrected, you're right, IS does peer with CINX; when I was on MWEB, Gmail and Google's sites in general all routed through google.cinx.net.za but IS routes internationally. Admittedly an assumption :D

That really is my main gripe with IS is it's international routing of Gmail (I know there's a hosts hack to get around this)
 
treebsd said:
on the other plugg thread, they had this discussion last week or so.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...DSL-Feedback?p=9608490&viewfull=1#post9608490
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Yeah, for google.co.za - not for mail.google.com :)

IS
Code: 
traceroute to googlemail.l.google.com (74.125.233.53), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  core (192.168.88.1)  1.118 ms  0.653 ms  1.132 ms
 2  196-210-201-1.dynamic.isadsl.co.za (196.210.201.1)  9.051 ms  8.479 ms  10.108 ms
 3  196.38.72.125 (196.38.72.125)  9.946 ms  10.019 ms  10.073 ms
 4  196.35.115.136 (196.35.115.136)  12.358 ms  11.424 ms  10.272 ms
 5  core2b-ctn-gi0-2.ip.isnet.net (168.209.6.3)  14.037 ms  9.764 ms  9.768 ms
 6  168.209.2.131 (168.209.2.131)  10.698 ms  13.159 ms  10.970 ms
 7  168.209.100.222 (168.209.100.222)  160.026 ms  194.468 ms  161.581 ms
 8  209.85.248.226 (209.85.248.226)  167.960 ms  162.179 ms  160.913 ms
 9  216.239.49.248 (216.239.49.248)  163.943 ms  164.130 ms  166.106 ms
10  209.85.240.191 (209.85.240.191)  167.375 ms  165.504 ms  174.768 ms
11  216.239.43.43 (216.239.43.43)  175.224 ms  191.798 ms  178.489 ms
12  72.14.232.103 (72.14.232.103)  342.053 ms  378.122 ms  343.743 ms
13  64.233.174.21 (64.233.174.21)  389.393 ms  334.667 ms  334.384 ms
14  jnb01s01-in-f21.1e100.net (74.125.233.53)  339.245 ms  421.097 ms  408.876 ms

Web Africa
Code: 
traceroute to mail.google.com (74.125.233.21), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1)  0.465 ms  0.355 ms  0.295 ms
 2  wrbs-ip-esr-2.ipnet.wa.co.za (41.185.88.1)  7.217 ms  8.112 ms  9.562 ms
 3  wnls-ipc1-vl-105.wa.co.za (196.220.59.250)  12.534 ms  33.267 ms  37.731 ms
 4  wnls-cr1-vl-801.wa.co.za (41.185.0.67)  34.512 ms  35.102 ms  39.440 ms
 5  41-66-150-41-29.wc-ro-dce-1-to-web001-cpe.africainx.net (41.66.150.41)  37.496 ms  21.036 ms  42.706 ms
 6  core_wc-ct-cx-mee-1_to_wc-ro-mec-1_ainx_p2p__10g_za (41.84.12.65)  63.710 ms  61.262 ms  61.160 ms
 7  google.cinx.net.za (196.223.22.41)  202.218 ms  198.256 ms  202.155 ms
 8  64.233.174.105 (64.233.174.105)  246.208 ms  207.672 ms  201.425 ms
 9  cpt01s01-in-f21.1e100.net (74.125.233.21)  194.408 ms  170.782 ms  237.377 ms

Not sure what's up with Googles CINX pings today; don't have an MWEB account to test on anymore but also used to route via google.cinx.net.za

Surely routing via Google @ cinx would be cheaper than routing internationally?

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I see hop 13 on IS vs. hop 8 on WA look like they are very similar (judging by the IP); am I wrong in assuming this is international on IS's behalf? Any reason for the high pings then if it actually is local?
 
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MWEB's traceroute

Code: 
traceroute to googlemail.l.google.com (74.125.233.53), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  10.0.2.1 (10.0.2.1)  2.004 ms  0.996 ms  0.827 ms
 2  41-132-44-1.dsl.mweb.co.za (41.132.44.1)  205.958 ms  168.974 ms  149.428 ms
 3  197-84-8-82.cpt.mweb.co.za (197.84.8.82)  153.479 ms  66.300 ms  64.231 ms
 4  197-84-2-2.cpt.mweb.co.za (197.84.2.2)  52.324 ms *  220.684 ms
 5  * tengige0-7-0-3.12.cpt-p-1.mweb.co.za (196.28.178.113)  134.710 ms  151.711 ms
 6  * tengig0-0-0-0.vic-p-2.mweb.co.za (197.84.4.35)  77.222 ms  183.310 ms
 7  tengig0-7-0-0.vic-p-1.mweb.co.za (197.84.4.37)  106.269 ms  63.883 ms  66.262 ms
 8  tengig0-0-0.vic-pr-1.mweb.co.za (197.80.4.141)  72.633 ms  76.628 ms  68.104 ms
 9  197-80-96-6.jhb.mweb.co.za (197.80.96.6)  61.361 ms  29.397 ms  32.054 ms
10  64.233.174.21 (64.233.174.21)  30.819 ms  30.627 ms  30.078 ms
11  jnb01s01-in-f21.1e100.net (74.125.233.53)  29.850 ms  30.366 ms  29.218 ms
 
blunt said:
MWEB charges too much.
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This is true. I'm considering moving to Plugg for a month to see... last time I moved for lower cost to an IS provider, I came running back in less than a month.
 
MWEB is too big. You get lost in the corporate cloud as it were. Facades like mwebguy,facebook pages and call centres.
 
nicole76 said:
MWEB is too big. You get lost in the corporate cloud as it were. Facades like mwebguy,facebook pages and call centres.
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agreed - MWG is very helpful and all but if your problems / query is beyond MWG's particular job and he has to pass you on to someone else you do get the feel of being lost in the system.
 
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