PS3 as a media system

ToxicBunny said:
I am in a similar situation as Dolby, (barring the not having a PS3 since there aren't enough games on the platform that I want to play), I have seperate devices for things simply because dedicated devices do a MUCH better job
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Just one thing : I don't own a PS3.

My brother stayed with me for almost a year while his place was being transferred etc etc and that's that's the experience I have.

He's moved out - but should I need it or required to set up te media side, I'm called to help.

But agreed on the post earlier - and exactly what I've always said as well.
 
Dolby said:
Just one thing : I don't own a PS3.

My brother stayed with me for almost a year while his place was being transferred etc etc and that's that's the experience I have.

He's moved out - but should I need it or required to set up te media side, I'm called to help.

But agreed on the post earlier - and exactly what I've always said as well.
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02:27 AM? Wow!
 
timgaul said:
Maybe the time is the reason. I fear Dolby may have been hitting the bottle hard. :p
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Too true:

What is the world coming to when PS3 owners and 360 owners see YLOD to RROD ?? :D
 
maestro_za said:
Wash, rinse, repeat ... been there done that.

However, look at the average Joe that buys a Xbox 360 My first next-gen purchase 2 years back.

Owned 400 DVD titles (yes been collecting since 1999) now 600+. Had a standard TV (bought HDTV a year ago). Price of PS3 R5000+, price of Xbox R3000+ ... I plumped for a Xbox 360.
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FAIL. If 'average' Joe got 500 dvd's at a conservative 'average' of R150 a dvd, then he invested R75 000....an HDTV a year ago at a conversative 'average' of R8000 then he has spent R83 000 at least in his media titles and hardware...It's obvious that 'average' Joe would not be alienated from a PS3 purchase because of R2 000 price difference. If 'average' joe intended watching those DVD's, the PS3 is a great upscaler, it has blu-ray when he intends purchasing blu-ray(so he can fully enjoy the 1080p on his more expensive HD tv) and obviously for it's media streaming and playback. I'm a below average joe (described above) and bought a PS3 for media and dvd playback.

maestro_za said:
I now own a PS3 but not one BR movie because replacing my DVD collection with BR would be bordering on the insane. It has streaming and all that but I simply put files I want to watch on my TV on USB flash drive or watch off an external HDD ... which can be done on the Xbox 360.
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FAIL. (tough one to fail, cos you said it was insane, but in context...it's a fail)
If you have anything close to 100 DVD's, it is insane to consider replacing it with blu-ray, it's unlikely you'll even find half the collection on blu-ray, blu-ray is there to complement an existing dvd collection, not replace it.
My classics like Natural Born Killers, Exorcist, Training Day, Usual Suspects, Friday, Empire REcords, Dazed and Confuzed will not be replaced, but movies like 2012, Avatar, transformers i'll definitely get on blu-ray...

maestro_za said:
Blah blah blah, console war, Xbox 360 vs PS3, Wii sales vs Sony/Microsoft ... at the end of the day the price point of the PS3 now is within many peoples reach ... very late into the next-gen cycle.
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FAIL : How is it late when the Wii's next gen console will only feature some of the PS3's current features and the x-box might not even include a high-capacity disc format iin it's next iteration...it's 3 year's in, and Sony has shown that every generation is pretty long with both the PS1 and PS2 getting support into 10 years (PS2 currently in their 9th).

On the price point...heard of, technology leader -> high component costs -> high production costs -> early adoptors -> branding -> lower component costs and production -> revised model -> mass market -> FTW ! <seen twice with sony with their console already> Should read up on the previous 2 generations....

maestro_za said:
But, if you want to play all the great titles -- it's being a fanboi only owning one console. Hardcore gaming dictates that a Xbox 360 and PS3 must be in your living/TV room. Plain and simple!
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FAIL !I've owned the wii with wiiplay, wii-fit and some decent games (namely 2, Mario galaxy and Zelda) and sold it because it had no value...I got a gaming pc, played Fable, Halo, Gears, L4D and Mass Effect and can honestly say none warrant the selection of 360 or PS3....so I only own 1 console, play about 4-5 games a month...I buy on average 3 games a month, hire 2...and trade a few....play also on my portable and attend lans on average twice a month....u get *real* hardcore gamers that only own 1 console and you get fanboi's that own all 3 and blinded somehow by the features of 1...(paying R500 a year for online isn't attractive to me).


maestro_za said:
So yes ... once again all the soldiers from 'both' camps will mention BR, RROD, exclusives being better on 360 -- exclusives being better on the PS3, 2009/10 being the comeback of the PS3 ... yadda yadda yadda ... but its stupid
 and that is my final say on the matter.
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FAIL. It's stupid now that you got a PS3, but many people still have decide which console to purchase, to sell their other for a PS3 or complement their current gaming set up with a PS3 and those factors are HUGE. Wonder why u chose to buy a PS3 after your 360 if it wasn't for the BR, better exclusives, media centric features that you mentioned.

maestro_za said:
Buy what you can afford or the features you need and don't crucify others for the choice they made ...
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FAIL. Or save and buy something that has longevity, feature-rich, great quality and superb exclusives...Won't crucify anyone for buying a PS2, Wii, 360 or any other console, but will take them to task if they suggest the PS3 hasn't got the most value, features and quality.
 
Well we *almost* had an agreement ... can trust Lemon or IAP to disagree and argue with most the fourm ....
 
Lemon369 said:

FAIL. If 'average' Joe got 500 dvd's at a conservative 'average' of R150 a dvd, then he invested R75 000....an HDTV a year ago at a conversative 'average' of R8000 then he has spent R83 000 at least in his media titles and hardware...It's obvious that 'average' Joe would not be alienated from a PS3 purchase because of R2 000 price difference. If 'average' joe intended watching those DVD's, the PS3 is a great upscaler, it has blu-ray when he intends purchasing blu-ray(so he can fully enjoy the 1080p on his more expensive HD tv) and obviously for it's media streaming and playback. I'm a below average joe (described above) and bought a PS3 for media and dvd playback.



FAIL. (tough one to fail, cos you said it was insane, but in context...it's a fail)
If you have anything close to 100 DVD's, it is insane to consider replacing it with blu-ray, it's unlikely you'll even find half the collection on blu-ray, blu-ray is there to complement an existing dvd collection, not replace it.
My classics like Natural Born Killers, Exorcist, Training Day, Usual Suspects, Friday, Empire REcords, Dazed and Confuzed will not be replaced, but movies like 2012, Avatar, transformers i'll definitely get on blu-ray...


FAIL : How is it late when the Wii's next gen console will only feature some of the PS3's current features and the x-box might not even include a high-capacity disc format iin it's next iteration...it's 3 year's in, and Sony has shown that every generation is pretty long with both the PS1 and PS2 getting support into 10 years (PS2 currently in their 9th).

On the price point...heard of, technology leader -> high component costs -> high production costs -> early adoptors -> branding -> lower component costs and production -> revised model -> mass market -> FTW ! <seen twice with sony with their console already> Should read up on the previous 2 generations....



FAIL !I've owned the wii with wiiplay, wii-fit and some decent games (namely 2, Mario galaxy and Zelda) and sold it because it had no value...I got a gaming pc, played Fable, Halo, Gears, L4D and Mass Effect and can honestly say none warrant the selection of 360 or PS3....so I only own 1 console, play about 4-5 games a month...I buy on average 3 games a month, hire 2...and trade a few....play also on my portable and attend lans on average twice a month....u get *real* hardcore gamers that only own 1 console and you get fanboi's that own all 3 and blinded somehow by the features of 1...(paying R500 a year for online isn't attractive to me).




FAIL. It's stupid now that you got a PS3, but many people still have decide which console to purchase, to sell their other for a PS3 or complement their current gaming set up with a PS3 and those factors are HUGE. Wonder why u chose to buy a PS3 after your 360 if it wasn't for the BR, better exclusives, media centric features that you mentioned.



FAIL. Or save and buy something that has longevity, feature-rich, great quality and superb exclusives...Won't crucify anyone for buying a PS2, Wii, 360 or any other console, but will take them to task if they suggest the PS3 hasn't got the most value, features and quality.
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Did I mention blah, blah, blah in my post.

This attitude is exactly my point ... the console war is stupid and your FAIL tirade illustrates it most beautifully.

I still own my Wii and will see what I can get for it this holiday season.

I mentioned in many a post that I want to play PS3 exclusives that are worth purchasing hence the fact I now own one. Well it is a 60GB unit that needs a BR lens replacement, so once thats sorted I can use its BD-ROM.

Yes, Planet Earth and other doccie type BR titles is what tickles my fancy. Still buy all my movie titles and TV shows in DVD format.

So my personal choices and opinion is being lambasted by the likes of you ... whatever dude ... you don't know me beyond the tit bits of info I share on this forum and others I frequent.

And the LANs, gaming PC and other stuff you do I'm glad for you. Not relevant to this section as its a gaming console one

I don't have the time as I service 25 consoles a week from Mon-Sat, study for a degree part-time through UNISA, involved in some church activities during the week and weekends, have to see my GF (not married yet), assist my brother-in-law with his business activities in the week and weekends and somehow squeeze a game in or two on my consoles and watch sport and other stuff on TV.

Gaming is simply not a a huge part of my life anymore as other things have taken priority. And my point is valid in the stupidity of flaming over this and the console war which rages on the Internet.

Besides the fact that I need to spend R20k on new equipment so that I can offer the only RROD/YLOD repair of its kind in SA that will revolutionise the industry, which I'm doing without a loan but financing through proceeds from my business. A biz I started with my own savings ...

I will stick by my point ... a hardcore gamer will own a Xbox 360 and PS3 ... since you only have a PS3 ... guess what camp you're in ... FAIL ... as you feel so 'insulted' by the post you're now quoting and dissecting with the same old crap responses ... It's my opinion .. my choice comprende ...

It's no water off my back ... my last spare change on the matter ;)
 
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Lemon369 said:

FAIL. If 'average' Joe got 500 dvd's at a conservative 'average' of R150 a dvd, then he invested R75 000....an HDTV a year ago at a conversative 'average' of R8000 then he has spent R83 000 at least in his media titles and hardware...It's obvious that 'average' Joe would not be alienated from a PS3 purchase because of R2 000 price difference. If 'average' joe intended watching those DVD's, the PS3 is a great upscaler, it has blu-ray when he intends purchasing blu-ray(so he can fully enjoy the 1080p on his more expensive HD tv) and obviously for it's media streaming and playback. I'm a below average joe (described above) and bought a PS3 for media and dvd playback.



FAIL. (tough one to fail, cos you said it was insane, but in context...it's a fail)
If you have anything close to 100 DVD's, it is insane to consider replacing it with blu-ray, it's unlikely you'll even find half the collection on blu-ray, blu-ray is there to complement an existing dvd collection, not replace it.
My classics like Natural Born Killers, Exorcist, Training Day, Usual Suspects, Friday, Empire REcords, Dazed and Confuzed will not be replaced, but movies like 2012, Avatar, transformers i'll definitely get on blu-ray...


FAIL : How is it late when the Wii's next gen console will only feature some of the PS3's current features and the x-box might not even include a high-capacity disc format iin it's next iteration...it's 3 year's in, and Sony has shown that every generation is pretty long with both the PS1 and PS2 getting support into 10 years (PS2 currently in their 9th).

On the price point...heard of, technology leader -> high component costs -> high production costs -> early adoptors -> branding -> lower component costs and production -> revised model -> mass market -> FTW ! <seen twice with sony with their console already> Should read up on the previous 2 generations....



FAIL !I've owned the wii with wiiplay, wii-fit and some decent games (namely 2, Mario galaxy and Zelda) and sold it because it had no value...I got a gaming pc, played Fable, Halo, Gears, L4D and Mass Effect and can honestly say none warrant the selection of 360 or PS3....so I only own 1 console, play about 4-5 games a month...I buy on average 3 games a month, hire 2...and trade a few....play also on my portable and attend lans on average twice a month....u get *real* hardcore gamers that only own 1 console and you get fanboi's that own all 3 and blinded somehow by the features of 1...(paying R500 a year for online isn't attractive to me).




FAIL. It's stupid now that you got a PS3, but many people still have decide which console to purchase, to sell their other for a PS3 or complement their current gaming set up with a PS3 and those factors are HUGE. Wonder why u chose to buy a PS3 after your 360 if it wasn't for the BR, better exclusives, media centric features that you mentioned.



FAIL. Or save and buy something that has longevity, feature-rich, great quality and superb exclusives...Won't crucify anyone for buying a PS2, Wii, 360 or any other console, but will take them to task if they suggest the PS3 hasn't got the most value, features and quality.
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so youre just here to disagree on everything, even though maestro raised very valid points since they dont jive with you they are wrong?
 
@Nduimiso : Yep, did you bother reading why...if none of the responses made sense, then fair enough...but not only did he buy a PS3, but for the reasons he categorised as not important for buying one...

@Maestro : To me there isn't a war, there's just the truth and opinions, i enjoy discussing or even arguing our opinions, I personally learn from them, there's things that you said that i actually had to research because i wasn't sure and either found them to be confirmed or arguable...so it isn't anything personal or just because i fancy arguing...

I give you that, i don't know you...and whatever opinion it seems that i have doesn't mean i don't think you're knowledgeable (more than in many area's) or that you're a serious gamer, a tech fundi and otherwise good guy, but similarly, you don't know me either and i only disagree with what i have a strong opinion of or reasonable background in...

The LAN's by the way are console lans...there's one every month at GameXchange, we have some cod4 lans, GH lans and mixed lans (but console)...one happened this past weekend at GameXchange, there's a GH one planned for November, a COD4 at Zaps for MW2 launch and then another at GameXchange at the end of November...so please check your facts....

Similarly, i have 2 kids, a wife, I'm studying, work full time and got family including my father-in-law whose wife has passed away a few weeks ago...I was in CT this weekend presenting to Naspers a gaming business plan...I play tennis, golf and cricket socially and I still make a sheez load of time for gaming, so that's why i take it serious...if you don't have time for it, not sure why u on the forum arguing about silly things...

And i'll stand by my opinion that a real gamer just games...got nothing to do with consoles, pc's or portables...but if you want to exclude gamers, your choice (and loss as far as i'm concerned)...

(Not bothered if you don't reply)
 
maestro_za said:
Thanks mate. It's tiresome have to reply to a CD with the repeat function on :D
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Seriously maestro_za, don't bother. Some people can't be reasoned with. Unfortunately when you do prove him wrong he resorts to a tirade of personal attacks, as such you'd be doing yourself a favour but just ignoring such people.
 
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Lemon369 said:
@Nduimiso : Yep, did you bother reading why...if none of the responses made sense, then fair enough...but not only did he buy a PS3, but for the reasons he categorised as not important for buying one...

@Maestro : To me there isn't a war, there's just the truth and opinions, i enjoy discussing or even arguing our opinions, I personally learn from them, there's things that you said that i actually had to research because i wasn't sure and either found them to be confirmed or arguable...so it isn't anything personal or just because i fancy arguing...

I give you that, i don't know you...and whatever opinion it seems that i have doesn't mean i don't think you're knowledgeable (more than in many area's) or that you're a serious gamer, a tech fundi and otherwise good guy, but similarly, you don't know me either and i only disagree with what i have a strong opinion of or reasonable background in...

The LAN's by the way are console lans...there's one every month at GameXchange, we have some cod4 lans, GH lans and mixed lans (but console)...one happened this past weekend at GameXchange, there's a GH one planned for November, a COD4 at Zaps for MW2 launch and then another at GameXchange at the end of November...so please check your facts....

Similarly, i have 2 kids, a wife, I'm studying, work full time and got family including my father-in-law whose wife has passed away a few weeks ago...I was in CT this weekend presenting to Naspers a gaming business plan...I play tennis, golf and cricket socially and I still make a sheez load of time for gaming, so that's why i take it serious...if you don't have time for it, not sure why u on the forum arguing about silly things...

And i'll stand by my opinion that a real gamer just games...got nothing to do with consoles, pc's or portables...but if you want to exclude gamers, your choice (and loss as far as i'm concerned)...

(Not bothered if you don't reply)
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O ... console LAN's ... wasn't clear to me in your previous post.

As for being on this forum 'if you don't have the time for it arguing over silly things' ... touche as the same can be said about your posts in many ways 'arguing over silly things'.

2009 has been an extremely busy year for me and that is what I meant by not having the time for games ... for what its worth.

We all balance our lives differently!

We'll agree to disagree and that is fine by me.
 
timgaul said:
Seriously maestro_za, don't bother. Some people can't be reasoned with. Unfortunately when you do prove him wrong he resorts to a tirade of personal attacks, as such you'd be doing yourself a favour but just ignoring such people.
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I hear you.

I conduct myself more than reasonably on this forum in my opinions, facts and arguments.

Many people, Lemon369 included, feel that having the last say on every matter is how it should be. I reason till such people or I tire of discussions.

Flaming with fun at its centre (yes I know that sounds weird and contradictory but bear with me) is cool.

Then certain individuals resort to 'a tirade of personal attacks' like you eloquently said and Google for all sorts of facts and figures to back up their view as if we arguing about politics or philosophy.

That is why I maintain that this console war / gamer war is down right dumb and no matter how people want to gloss over it ... gaming is not what it once was.

It's almost as if the cold corporate culture of these multinational companies have brainwashed the psyche of gamers to constantly barrage one another online and offline.

If people agree on that statement or not it isn't my worries ... but it has been said.

Cheers
 
Yep, console lans, didn't know it mattered what platform gamers gather and play on...and didn't think i needed to clarify...

Might be arguing over silly things, but least my posts are not just sensible but in the large part factual....so you feel guilty about participating in such arguments and i'll be...

Got no problem with how much you game, how you balance your life ...i agree with you and would agree to disagree but then you choose to directly troll in your next thread..so i'll respond...

You have shared fair arguments and opinions for the most part but loosely suggesting that PS3 and 360 failures are similar in quantity is ridiculous, suggesting that BR is not scratch resistant is ridiculous...and nearly your entire last post was trash, so i'm sorry i'm gonna point that out, but there is some nonsense among all the good...

I don't feel like i need to have the last say, i just respond...I thought that is the purpose of a forum, to exchange thoughts and facts...you don't need to respond, someone else will if it's interesting or contentious ....

And yes, i do prefer using google when i'm not sure about something before posting...but if you prefer i'll use Tim's method of pulling the 1st thought out of my nether region and post it...that's *credible*...

Console war is dumb...but that is the capitalistic world we live in...worse than that is fanboi's...just unnecessary...and you have made more than your fair share of fanboi comments in the last week...last 24 hours....love you to deny it...

Finally, gaming is still as good as ever, if not better...there's awesome communities like the PS3 one...we poke fun at each other, joke, socialise, given games away to the community (currently have 1 of the games i've given away being passed on),donate money for competitions on the forum and we meet up like at least once a month...I...We are competitive in games but supportive IRL and on the forum.. went to RAGE and had a great time with gaming friends....we trade fairly, trust and respect each other ...

I'm sorry you are not exposed to this, if you just playing games on your console and arguing on this forum then very likely that you gonna have that opinion, arrrgh...xbots didn't expect PS3 to turn around and find themselves having to be on the backfoot....
 
Missed RAGE as I had to work, and I work most weekends as that is when some of my clients have the time to drop off their machines.

Like this Saturday I'll be up @ 6am so that I can get some repairs done and the afternoon perhaps some time to watch sport or just sleep as that is what I don't have much of these days.

I think you missed the point, I run a now 1-man business which is Quick Flow IT. I repair Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii consoles + the occasional PS2. I deal directly with the hardware failures, which statistically on Google is broken down into global percentages but I repair more PS3 consoles than Xbox 360 since mid 2008. I think that YLOD and BR lens failures are bad enough in terms of the sheer number of these consoles I receive.

I would love to have the stats which shows how many swap outs Part-Serve does per week and per month.

Yes, Xbox 360 is well documented but the PS3 failure rate is nicely swept under the rug as not bad ... based on what Sony only knows.

At this moment I have 2 YLOD PS3s booked in needing to be repaired plus 3 PS3 consoles with dead BR lenses of which I serviced and tested two of them today. The lenses I imported arrive today so I did so after my exams this morning.

The rest of my backlog will be dealt with next week.

You're not privy to my admin but there is a thread if you go through the game console section on facts and figures of how many consoles I've serviced and the numbers. PS3 is on top in terms of hardware failures that I deal with.

Not only that but I import and sell accessories and replacement parts for consoles. My turn-over, success rate and reputation is marvelous considering I do all the above by myself.

I will be looking to expand in 2010 as the state of this industry in terms of the quick buck mentality is shocking!

In terms of BR scratch resistance, I admitted that the media is made tougher but its in no way scratch proof ... so call that ridiculous if you so wish because it is your opinion so eloquently highlighted.

I should actually take a photo of a disc when I extract it from a YLOD console to illustrate my point ... Kriss Kross (90s hip-hop group -- some wit) all over allot of the BR media I deal with.

So that is what from where I come from ... but I'm sure more ridiculousness will be gleaned from this post and that is clearly how you look at things. One hand you acknowledge fair arguments and opinions then trash the rest -- which is fine and I've answered them all whether you see it or not. I'm not out to impress you or anyone else!

So yes, I have little time for gaming because of circumstances more than choice. December will be much needed down time when I'll catch up with Live and PSN multi-player action as well.

Console lanning ... not much of that scene around here. Mostly PC LANs in Pretoria, a scene I no longer partake in.

ps3za.co.za? Yes, on that forum now. Meet and greets will be few and far between as my schedule doesn't allow it.

Xbox 360 community isn't bad either, mostly trade games with fellow forum users on there.

"arrrgh...xbots didn't expect PS3 to turn around and find themselves having to be on the backfoot...." That's a fanboi statement right there ... see how easy it is?

So there you go ...

Cheers
 
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maestro_za said:
I hear you.

I conduct myself more than reasonably on this forum in my opinions, facts and arguments.

Many people, Lemon369 included, feel that having the last say on every matter is how it should be. I reason till such people or I tire of discussions.

Flaming with fun at its centre (yes I know that sounds weird and contradictory but bear with me) is cool.

Then certain individuals resort to 'a tirade of personal attacks' like you eloquently said and Google for all sorts of facts and figures to back up their view as if we arguing about politics or philosophy.

That is why I maintain that this console war / gamer war is down right dumb and no matter how people want to gloss over it ... gaming is not what it once was.

It's almost as if the cold corporate culture of these multinational companies have brainwashed the psyche of gamers to constantly barrage one another online and offline.

If people agree on that statement or not it isn't my worries ... but it has been said.

Cheers
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Hehehe, I hear you. Flaming with fun at its centre, I understand, but some of these silly buggers just don't know when to quit. Unfortunately once you realise this the best you can do is to just ignore them because they generally have more time than common sense.

Some of them blabber on and on despite the fact I've had then on ignore for the last five days. It's a bit sad when someone can't put their personal issues aside and actual enjoy the forum without constantly berating people. Best we can do is hope the mods step in (I noticed, while I was away, one of the other 360 threads got closed for a while).

Ah well, how boring these threads would be if it weren't for some of the more passive-aggressive Sony fanbois, eh? :p

Anyway, lets ignore the bad and enjoy these forums as they were intended. There's still reasonable arguments and people on both sides of the divide!

:D:D:D
 
maestro_za said:
In terms of BR scratch resistance, I admitted that the media is made tougher but its in no way scratch proof ... so call that ridiculous if you so wish because it is your opinion so eloquently highlighted.

I should actually take a photo of a disc when I extract it from a YLOD console to illustrate my point ... Kriss Kross (90s hip-hop group -- some wit) all over allot of the BR media I deal with.
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An intriguing image. Unfortunately all optical media should be treated as gold when handling. I saw that Bluray discs were intended to originally come with casings (much like olden days stiffies) because once they do get scratched it's difficult to repair.
 
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