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PS3 vs. 360
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BinaryJack
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LOL!
They are then 2nd hand ports!
They are then 2nd hand ports!
sybawoods
Expert Member
Okay let's take this piece by piece.
Not really going to comment about your views on the PS3 exclusives vs the Xbox exclusives. That all really comes down to subjective opinion about what kinds of games blow your hair back. The Fable series never quite did it for me, so it's no big miss. Yes, some of it's ideas and concepts were forward thinking at the time, but I found the role-play elements to be rather gimicky & the quests contrived. It was more of a platformer with stats. But hey, that's just me - I couldn't get Oblivion either. Maybe I have a short attention-span
. I'd much rather be playing a 50 player on-line tournament of Everybody's Golf. I get why it has cult status amongst Japanese gamers in particular. Others simply see it as a bunch of cutesy characters playing golf. Gaming taste is subjective. Gears of War blew my hair back for exactly 3 weeks - haven't gone back to it since.
. I don't see this ever being more than a novelty side-show in the bigger scheme of the gaming world. I'm sure there'll be some gems amongst the releases though.
Furthermore, and once again this is just my take... I'm finding the whole friends list & blades thing-a-majig on the 360 quite old, stale and boring now. I'm looking forward to Home. It appears to offer a much more immersive experience. Watch MS try to play catch-up. I think Home is going to be a massive Home run for the PS3 when it get's released, and will re-define next-gen, community-based, multi-player gaming.
On the subject of catch-up, this has really been Microsoft's favorite game since the PS3 got released
I've lost faith in their decision-making, their choices, and their marketing. I have much more confidence in Sony. They had the balls to back Blu-Ray, and won. They had the balls to delay the release of the PS3, and are being vindicated by current sales figures and consumer demand. It has had the balls to delay features like Home, until it's convinced that it's up to standard. Based on recent history, Microsoft's track record sucks:
- it's hardware was a cock-up from the get-go. It has tried to remedy this with new SKU's, new builds, extended warranties etc. But the damage was done.
- it repeated the mess up with the release of the Xbox 360 wheel, which ended up being recalled on a massive scale to have parts retro-fitted
- it promised consumers that HD-DVD was the next best thing, asked them to invest in it's own HD-DVD player, and threw it's weight behind the format. It got that monumentally wrong, and there is hard evidence that MS will be releasing yet another SKU, this time with Blu-Ray. Doh!
- it kept dilly-dallying about the need for HDMI in response to the PS3 being shipped with HDMI connectivity, was never prepared to give clear direction about it's HDMI strategy, and then finally released updated SKU's with HDMI output. Doh again!
- it did it's best to convince consumers that 1080p was a waste of time, but then went to the trouble of releasing a firmware update to enable 1080p, in order to play catch-up with the PS3
- it convinced it's consumers that motion sensing technology in the PS3 and Wi was a waste of time, but all whispers currently indicate MS testing motion sensing technology for the 360
So... in my book, Sony has held all the Aces and made all the right calls up to now (Blu-Ray, HDMI), and still holds more Aces (Home, killer exclusives, higher consumer demaind). Microsoft is on the back foot and loosing ground. Fast.
But hey, yeah, I'm still giving my 360 some love every night. I'm chasing 10 000 achievement points... before Home get's released 
It's not just RRoD. It's hardware unreliability. With all the consoles I've had over my lifetime, this is the first time I've experienced so many hardware problems, and kinda expect something to go wrong at least once in a gaming session. And it's not just me. Just take a cursory glance at our own local forums, and many others to see the frustration users have with failures, organising swap-outs, fighting with retailers, hunting for slips, fighting with MI digital etc. Yep, kudo's to MS for providing some relief... but at the same time they're admitting that they sold less than perfect hardware. The consequence for the end-user is reduced confidence, and increased irritation. Some retailers have gone to the extreme level of refusing to sell Xbox 360 hardware.
Did you say wheels? The only Logitech wheel available for the the Xbox 360 is the crappy Drive FX Axial feedback wheel, which has had negligible take-up in the market. Microsoft has refused to license Logitech with access to it's propriety feautures, which forced Logitech to come up with a feeble work-around called Axial feedback. It's an attempt to simulate force feedback in the wheel and it fails miserably. No other Logitech wheel or wheels will work, including the high-end G25. Of course, you can invest in Microsoft's expensive propriety wheel, which by the way, came with loads of it's own hardware issues.
Good for you. Personally I find it irritating, and decidedly last generation, to have to flip open a controller and fiddle with batteries in the middle of a gaming session. I hate discovering that my spare pair of batteries was not fully charged, or in use by some other peripheral. My PS3 controller is fully rechargable out the box, without having to purchase any extras, or having to keep spare batteries on the ready, and I can plug it into any USB input for recharging. Yep I know you can get to the same point on the Xbox 360, but it'll cost you. We're talking value for money here.
It's not misleading. Somebody posted that all the top games available today (like GTA4), is available on the PS3. Mephisto_Helix said "they are, I must have missed it?"... and I responded. The point I was making is that all the genre-leading games, whether cross platform or not, are indeed available on the PS3.
Not really going to comment about your views on the PS3 exclusives vs the Xbox exclusives. That all really comes down to subjective opinion about what kinds of games blow your hair back. The Fable series never quite did it for me, so it's no big miss. Yes, some of it's ideas and concepts were forward thinking at the time, but I found the role-play elements to be rather gimicky & the quests contrived. It was more of a platformer with stats. But hey, that's just me - I couldn't get Oblivion either. Maybe I have a short attention-span
. I'd much rather be playing a 50 player on-line tournament of Everybody's Golf. I get why it has cult status amongst Japanese gamers in particular. Others simply see it as a bunch of cutesy characters playing golf. Gaming taste is subjective. Gears of War blew my hair back for exactly 3 weeks - haven't gone back to it since. I think they've dealt most of their cards already, and it ain't done diddly squat. Price cuts, Halo 3, & GTA4 certainly hasn't stemmed the PS3 tide in Europe. Quite the contrary. The bigger expectations in Europe is all PS3 related, no matter what MS has to offer. Europe is drooling for Home, MGS, LBP and Gran Turismo 5. Nothing Microsoft can do about that. It's a lost market. All evidence indicates that the PS3 as a platform has benefited more from GTA4 than the Xbox 360. Remember that the PS3 has shifted more units in Europe in total... a staggering achievement if you consider that the Xbox 360 was launched 16 months earlier, at nearly half the price. Methinks there's very little appetite for 360's in Europe no matter what Microsoft chucks at them later this year.
The cynic in me sees this as a glorified mechanism for wannabees to make and distribute "games"
. I don't see this ever being more than a novelty side-show in the bigger scheme of the gaming world. I'm sure there'll be some gems amongst the releases though.Not making it worse than it is. There are countless examples on our own local forums of users accounts being blocked, having to create new accounts, losing all achievements and having to start over, or having nightmares with MS Tech Support. And yep, I use those 3rd party work-arounds as well for gamer-points and subscriptions ... but that's really what they are. Fiddly work-arounds that shouldn't really be necessary and that exist until Microsoft allows them to. No such problem on the PS3.And as far as live goes, you're making it sounds far worse than it is. There is no need to commit CC fraud (anymore
That doesn't really say much to me. Most of those users never made a conscious choice. The 360 was available locally waaay before the PS3 arrived, and at a time when there was an appetite for something next-gen. There was very little choice. If you wanted next-gen, you bought an Xbox 360. The game has opened up since, which is why you'll start finding Joe public seeing the PS3 as the next aspirational item.The fact that there are at least 4 times more local players willing to go the extra mile to use live over PSN should tell you something. The fact that I'm posting his at 3am after just spending 4 hours playing GTA4 on live should tell you even more
Furthermore, and once again this is just my take... I'm finding the whole friends list & blades thing-a-majig on the 360 quite old, stale and boring now. I'm looking forward to Home. It appears to offer a much more immersive experience. Watch MS try to play catch-up. I think Home is going to be a massive Home run for the PS3 when it get's released, and will re-define next-gen, community-based, multi-player gaming.
On the subject of catch-up, this has really been Microsoft's favorite game since the PS3 got released
I've lost faith in their decision-making, their choices, and their marketing. I have much more confidence in Sony. They had the balls to back Blu-Ray, and won. They had the balls to delay the release of the PS3, and are being vindicated by current sales figures and consumer demand. It has had the balls to delay features like Home, until it's convinced that it's up to standard. Based on recent history, Microsoft's track record sucks:- it's hardware was a cock-up from the get-go. It has tried to remedy this with new SKU's, new builds, extended warranties etc. But the damage was done.
- it repeated the mess up with the release of the Xbox 360 wheel, which ended up being recalled on a massive scale to have parts retro-fitted
- it promised consumers that HD-DVD was the next best thing, asked them to invest in it's own HD-DVD player, and threw it's weight behind the format. It got that monumentally wrong, and there is hard evidence that MS will be releasing yet another SKU, this time with Blu-Ray. Doh!
- it kept dilly-dallying about the need for HDMI in response to the PS3 being shipped with HDMI connectivity, was never prepared to give clear direction about it's HDMI strategy, and then finally released updated SKU's with HDMI output. Doh again!
- it did it's best to convince consumers that 1080p was a waste of time, but then went to the trouble of releasing a firmware update to enable 1080p, in order to play catch-up with the PS3
- it convinced it's consumers that motion sensing technology in the PS3 and Wi was a waste of time, but all whispers currently indicate MS testing motion sensing technology for the 360
So... in my book, Sony has held all the Aces and made all the right calls up to now (Blu-Ray, HDMI), and still holds more Aces (Home, killer exclusives, higher consumer demaind). Microsoft is on the back foot and loosing ground. Fast.
But hey, yeah, I'm still giving my 360 some love every night. I'm chasing 10 000 achievement points... before Home get's released
GougedEye
Expert Member
Well as for me, I simpy don't have the patience to wait for a couple of extra months (or hours) for the PC version to come out. Also, what I have seen so far of the ports of the Big 360 games to PC (Gears etc) hasn't been all that impressive.
I think there is lots of reason to buy both (and I have). I also have a fairly top noth gaming PC. OK, there is a financial consideration involved, but not that hectic. Also, think of it this way. I bought my PS3 a year and a half after my 360. Total cost of around R7000 over 18 months. Thats less than R400 a month. OK it excludes accessories, games, beer etc. My HDTV cost me three times more than that. If you can't afford to blow R3k - R4k a year on hardware maybe you need another hobby.
Both are pretty good. Viva is suprisingly good. Gears you should be able to get 2nd hand quite easily. That's definitely a must IMO.It's the R2999 Pro Bundle from IC which comes with Forza 2 & Viva Pinata (definately won't be playing it). Going to buy Gears of War and COD4 this weekend
GavinMannion
Executive Member
I think I agree with most of what you said sybawoods but you seemed to have gone a bit off the track at the end.
60GB & 20GB PS3's ring a bell?
The only new 360 model is the Elite, the rest is internal upgrading but the actual design is the same as always
Strangely Microsoft hardware was always good but they have made some duffs this time around...
There is NO evidence of an integrated Blu-Ray player at all, it's absolute rubbish. Microsoft will more than likely release a Blu-Ray add on though.
Also Microsoft never through it's substantial weight behind HD-DVD, they have always advocated digital downloads
The HDMI standards were not complete when the 360 released, which is why it wasn't included from the start. Once the standard was set it started releasing 360's with HDMI. It has already been proven as well that HDMI is no better than standard component cables either. It's just more convenient.
And yet all the top games are 720p... ? Apparently 1080p is unoticeable under 50" and I don't know about you but I expect the vast majority of HD owners don't have a 50" tv.
I actually think they said the motion sensing in the PS3 was a waste, I have never seen them say a bad thing about the Wii really...
But yes it does appear like they are going to release a motion sensing adaptor that will most probably be a complete failure. Most add=ons are in the end.
I am intrigued by certain aspects of Home but to be perfectly honest I expect it to fall short of what is actually wanted by most gamers, I think that is the reason it is being delayed as it just isn't really what we need.
Now LBP looks absolutely awesome and so does Resistance 2.... Those are my two top games for the PS3 this year.
I am not a MGS fan but I am looking forward to trying it out.
60GB & 20GB PS3's ring a bell?
The only new 360 model is the Elite, the rest is internal upgrading but the actual design is the same as always
Strangely Microsoft hardware was always good but they have made some duffs this time around...
There is NO evidence of an integrated Blu-Ray player at all, it's absolute rubbish. Microsoft will more than likely release a Blu-Ray add on though.
Also Microsoft never through it's substantial weight behind HD-DVD, they have always advocated digital downloads
The HDMI standards were not complete when the 360 released, which is why it wasn't included from the start. Once the standard was set it started releasing 360's with HDMI. It has already been proven as well that HDMI is no better than standard component cables either. It's just more convenient.
And yet all the top games are 720p... ? Apparently 1080p is unoticeable under 50" and I don't know about you but I expect the vast majority of HD owners don't have a 50" tv.
I actually think they said the motion sensing in the PS3 was a waste, I have never seen them say a bad thing about the Wii really...
But yes it does appear like they are going to release a motion sensing adaptor that will most probably be a complete failure. Most add=ons are in the end.
I am intrigued by certain aspects of Home but to be perfectly honest I expect it to fall short of what is actually wanted by most gamers, I think that is the reason it is being delayed as it just isn't really what we need.
Now LBP looks absolutely awesome and so does Resistance 2.... Those are my two top games for the PS3 this year.
I am not a MGS fan but I am looking forward to trying it out.
GavinMannion
Executive Member
no both are utterly awesome
both companies made huge screw ups and both companies made great products... that's what makes this generation so entertaining....
Then you have the Wii that kills everything
Bona Botse
A little insight goes a long way
what is this agreement of the fanbois nonsense? FIGHT DAMNIT!!! My popcorn is not finished!
Guess what day it is !?!
ps3 is a glorified computer that suxxor, xbox is better!
*flees*
BinaryJack
Spam
YAY!!! Fanboi Friday!
Wii kix all asses!!!
My little Wii (not that little ) at home has not been played with lately, playing Mass Effect, 3rd time now!
EDIT:
That sentence just reads so wrong!
Wii kix all asses!!!
My little Wii (not that little
) at home has not been played with lately, playing Mass Effect, 3rd time now! EDIT:
That sentence just reads so wrong!
doobiwan
Executive Member
Lol, I just finished mine so I'm to stuffed to multiquote:
Syba, there's a lot we agree on, but I think you just have a bit of a "jaded divorcee" attitude to the 360. Sure it's not perfect, but you're placing total emphasis on the negative. I've also had my 360 RRoD, I've had my drive fail, I've had Live down and lost access to my CC. In all honesty if you stuck R5000 in my hand today and said would you do it all again, I wouldn't even blink. So you could call me the besotted Mistress
To say that Microsoft has blown their load (paraphrase
) Is naive at best, and you're buying what the opposition is telling you instead of just taking a moment. Microsoft said SIXAXIS was bollocks, been there done that (hello sidewinder) - they were right. By comparison they never said the Wiimote was rubbish, to the contrary they positively gushed over it, and by all rumours are about to copy it.
Has Sony's strategy really paid off? Sony are fighting for their lives. Forget BD, their delay and subsequent screwing of the BD standard has seen not only their loss of the lead in the Console market, but the probable failure of the HD disc market as well. They've had to sell off their insurance business just to keep their heads above water. In the mean time MS EDD is making profits.
Which is why the companies are behaving so differently. Sony has to make big noise and grandstand to maintain their image. In the mean time Xbox's real focus at the moment is closing the year out with a profit, in order to silence their critics, and justify moving into the business in the first place.
Believe me, this years "war" hasn't even hit the warmup yet.
Next week there are at least 3 MS announcements. Lets talk then.
So you would rather throw away an entire controller when the battery fails instead of just throwing the battery away ! replacing a battery is just over a R100 rand for the xbox replacing a controller is over R350 for the ps3 !
Didnt sony also say Vibration feedback was last gen but now they're brought
out the DS3 control ! Didnt sony critize MS for putting a hdd in the old xbox saying that a console thats hard drive dependant will be a failure but now their Miracle Most Awesome console (that can cure cancer) is hard disc dependant ! Hmmmmmmm.....
! Ek sal maar net doobiwan
Executive Member
I missed that (Not enough coffee ). Syba, you find swapping batteries last gen, but you're happy to be tethered to you PS3 by a cable? On a motion sensing controller no less!?!
Sorry, but that's sounds starting to sound a bit fanboy ...
). Syba, you find swapping batteries last gen, but you're happy to be tethered to you PS3 by a cable? On a motion sensing controller no less!?!Sorry, but that's sounds starting to sound a bit fanboy ...
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BinaryJack
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He made so much sense for a fanboi!
sybawoods
Expert Member
I missed that (Not enough coffee
Sorry, but that's sounds starting to sound a bit fanboy ...
Erm, no. I'm not tethered to the PS3 at all with my controller. It's Blu-Ray, wireless etc. The controller itself is rechargable, with the battery built in. You don't replace the controller when the battery run's out of power, you-recharge it, either via the PS3 or some other uSB device. The point was made in the context of value-for-money... The Xbox 360 may be cheaper, but you will need to keep spending money to keep the controllers going, or to buy recharge kits etc. That's not always accounted for in the costs.
And look, my intent is not to come across as a fanboy at all. I think much of the PS3 bashing (and prolly Xbox bashing, too), is simply un-informed, or driven by close minded fan-boyism desperate to defend their own investment on either side of the console equation. I don't think I'm over-stating the case for the PS3 at all, but I have been more than mildly irritated when I visit some of our own local forums and witness ignorant PS3 bashing that's just plain ignorant, and inconsistent with my own experience of the console.
That said, like you, despite hardware irritations, I keep going back to the 360. I own 2 Xbox 360's because one started failing (it was an import and organising a swap out was too much of a pain) so when I got an opportunity to get another, I took it. The second one is also starting to fail. But I'm sticking with the programme. I'm genuinely irritated that I have to keep chucking money at it, though, either via on-line subscriptions, or because of hardware issues. It doesn't have to be that way. My PS3 experience is testament to that. Your divorce-mistress analogy is actually pretty apt.
In all honesty, all things weighed up, I'm still spending more time on my Xbox 360. When GTA4 came out, I decided to get it on the 360 because of the added lure of bumping up my achievement points. GTA4 has been clocked though, and all of last night was spent trying to unlock Kimi's Ferrari on the PS3's Gran Turismo. I was at it for about 5 hours non stop - no read errors, no lock ups etc. That's the way it should be.
I think the bottom line is that the PS3's short-comings, up to now has really been all about software - whether that's AAA exclusives, or XBM etc. All of that has started changing rather significantly.
At the end of the day - it's a good time to be a gamer. I don't think this war is going to be settled any-time soon. Both companies are too deeply vested in this. And like like most wars, it will drive innovation. Ultimately, in our hobby, that can only be a good thing for all of us. My own advice, and I really know that it's not always possible - but if you can find the means, or the luck, then now is a good time to own more than one console.
my point which U are missing is that recharchable batteries usually fail after a year or two (meaning their battery life decreases charge after charge just like laptop batteries) if your battery in your ps3 control starts 2do that you are going to have to replace the entire controller since it has an internal battery, if the battery of the 360 control does that all u need to do is to replace the battery with a new one !
sybawoods
Expert Member
Dohc-WP - that was an old myth circulated 2 yrs ago, by the anti-PS3 crowd, that Sony had shipped these dud controllers with batteries that would only last a year, and that there was no way to replace them. That's just another example of mis-information. The PS3 has been around for nearly 2 years now... and do you see people running around looking for replacement batteries? The battery in the PS3 controller is made of the latest generation of lithium polymer. Recharging has a negligible effect on the battery life (although it does have a defined shelf life). It doesn't have the memory issues of older generation batteries. It is designed to run for many years before the battery dies. Clearly Sony is confident that the battery will out-last the controller. It's very similar technology to those used in iPods - and you don't exactly see iPod owners rushing around looking for replacement batteries either. My controllers have been re-charging regularly since the PAL launch (March '07), with no noticeable degradation. Furthermore, Sony has gone on record as saying that they will offer a service to replace any controllers where the battery has died. Let's see if they will honour this, but clearly it hasn't been necessary to offer such a service yet. Too lazy to post the links, but it's also quite well documented that the batteries are in fact easily replaceable should that ever become a factor (unscrew the cover, snap in new battery, close cover) . It's really a non-issue in the bigger scheme of things, and another example of misinformation that got legs, and became widely believed. The facts simply point otherwise.
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nocilah
Banned
u know when you poke your nose in a 360 vs ps3 thread something is going horribly wrong when guys are arguing about batteries in controllers.
just choose the console you like damnit - just not the ps3
just choose the console you like damnit - just not the ps3
Mephisto_Helix
Resident Postwhore
u know when you poke your nose in a 360 vs ps3 thread something is going horribly wrong when guys are arguing about batteries in controllers.
just choose the console you like damnit - just not the ps3
Lmao ...... true, so true.