Pupil guns down alleged bully

Just as the bully knew what he was doing, did the kid with the gun also. When I was in Standard 9 (grade 11), I KNEW not to shoot someone. I also knew not to stab someone. We got into lots of playground fights over bullying, name-calling, "whatcha lookin at me for", as well as various fights over the years as a result of bullying, and the victim suddenly outgrowing the bully during the later years of school, etc etc. But we knew that to shoot someone would end the problem.

Hopefully you are not saying he deserved to be shot?

What he deserved is now a moot point. The fact is what he actually got... and that was 4 bullets in the region where his brain should have been.

I know it's going to be terrible for that kid, and sure he should have known better, especially if his mom was a cop.
It's going to go far worse for him now. If the thought that bully was bad, wait until he meets some of the celebrities in the prison.
And when they hear why he is there... they are going to bully him even more.
Whatcha gonna do now, big man??? shoot me as well? Not so big without your mommy's gun, now are we????
 
Unfortunately all these bleeding-heart pansies are crying cruelty :rolleyes:

Zigackly!

you can stand on your head and whistle dixie as far as i'm concerned. a bully is not welcome in my world and any bully that gets something like this happen to him and his cohorts witness it, deserves every damn thing that happens to him/her.

a bullied child can only take so much before that child snaps. why do you think there is this shooting happening at the schools in the US? it's because these kids are bullied to the degree that they are. the sooner people sit up and take note the better. it's all fine and well for their peers to say oh so and so was such a quiet person who got on with everyone but behind closed doors that child was bullied relentlessly by his peers as a child because he was "different". because he didn't "fit in". and you wonder why he snapped and shot a few people at the school or at the movie theater? here's your answer.

when is this schit going to stop? it's time for parents of the bullied child to take a stand and stand up to their child's bully. take that bully on themselves and the parent of the bullied child bully the big fat bully and let the bully see what it's like himself.

Celine - I went to an all-boy school. Let's use old-school references here: If someone in Std 7 gave me grief when I was in Std 8, and a Std 9/10 boy saw that, without me doing something about it - I'd be opening myself up to abuse from the older guys.

Is it bullying when you're asserting your position in the jungle and, trust me, an all-boy school is a jungle?

It's all very well to sit there and bemoan the circumstances surrounding bullying, but let me just throw this out there:

All boys grow into men, and a man knows how to look after himself and the people he cares about. Being some ***** that gets whacked around isn't going to do you any favours when you get older - men don't give a toss: it's a dog-eat-dog world out there. They'll steal your woman, your car, your house, and anything else you don't have the balls to hold onto, because that is what men do!

Now let me elaborate: lots of men out there would do that. Some of us have learnt that being a man is more than your ability to show everyone else you're stronger, and more intelligent than everyone else. That being a man is about doing what you must when you have to, and exercising restraint when there are other avenues that don't require violence.

Boys become men, but it's up to their parents to teach them how to be a decent man. The situation here is twofold:

1. The bully was wrong, but who knows what he's been through - maybe he's just taking it out on someone else because he, too, is a victim?
2. The victim took extreme action - what the hell did his parents teach him, and why did he feel so alone that he couldn't speak to his mother, who is a cop for Frith's sake?

I was lucky - I had two much older brothers. Do you think I went running to them every time someone bigger than me gave me a thumping? No - my brothers would have put them in hospital, and how do you think that would have panned out: for me at school, and for them?

It took one of my bigger friends giving me smack upside the head to realize that I was being a douche - I don't blame him, he taught me a lesson. He didn't do it maliciously, and me running the smaller guys around as my personal slaves wasn't intentionally being full of douche-baggery: it just seemed like part of the natural pecking order.

I got bullied when I arrived in the UK from SA - 1978 - and I'm talking 3 douche bags chasing me around every break time. The time came when I had had enough: a broken jaw later and a visit to the headmaster's office, and I never got bullied again (in that school). I had to move to another school, and the same thing happened, with almost the same corrective measures on my part.

Parents need to educate their children, and make them strong for the world - clearly the 'victim' had no communication with his parents. Supervised breaks should be considered - surely there are enough teachers in a school to give up one break per week?
 
What he deserved is now a moot point. The fact is what he actually got... and that was 4 bullets in the region where his brain should have been.

I know it's going to be terrible for that kid, and sure he should have known better, especially if his mom was a cop.
It's going to go far worse for him now. If the thought that bully was bad, wait until he meets some of the celebrities in the prison.
And when they hear why he is there... they are going to bully him even more.
Whatcha gonna do now, big man??? shoot me as well? Not so big without your mommy's gun, now are we????

What the hell does your first paragraph mean?! :confused: Still sounds like you reckon death was the proper punishment here.

He is Grade 11, the bullies Grade 12. In a month, he would have been free from them. This kid's life is now totally ruined becuase of his own actions.
 
What the hell does your first paragraph mean?! :confused: Still sounds like you reckon death was the proper punishment here.

It means.... That what the bully deserved is now a moot point. The fact is what he actually got... and that was 4 bullets in the region where his brain should have been.
crying about it is not going to do anything. And I am not going to cry for him.

He is Grade 11, the bullies Grade 12. In a month, he would have been free from them. This kid's life is now totally ruined becuase of his own actions.

No disagreement there... in fact I think I pointed out that it will most likely get far worse.
 
Just as the bully knew what he was doing, did the kid with the gun also. When I was in Standard 9 (grade 11), I KNEW not to shoot someone. I also knew not to stab someone. We got into lots of playground fights over bullying, name-calling, "whatcha lookin at me for", as well as various fights over the years as a result of bullying, and the victim suddenly outgrowing the bully during the later years of school, etc etc. But we knew that to shoot someone would end the problem.

Hopefully you are not saying he deserved to be shot?



why do i look at your nick and think you're eating snot? :wtf:
 
Simple thing is you either support the bully - kid should've lied down and take it
or
You support the bully victim - stood up and defended himself

And for every one of you spewing nonsense about fighting but not needing to stab or shoot the bully,you do realize more often than not there are a group of hooligans.
Either you go in armed or you go in harmed,when facing superior forces we are fully able to utilize tools and weapons to even out the odds


Do I think he should've just maimed the bastard instead of killed? Yeah of course,but after you've suffered torture and psychological breakdown for an indeterminate time you just want out. And i'm all for eliminating the problem rather than eliminating myself in that instance
 
Simple thing is you either support the bully - kid should've lied down and take it
or
You support the bully victim - stood up and defended himself

And for every one of you spewing nonsense about fighting but not needing to stab or shoot the bully,you do realize more often than not there are a group of hooligans.

Stand up and defend yourself is far from shooting someone’s brains everywhere. As I said before its a tricky subject and unfortunately the shooter should face the same consequences any action such as this will.
 
Stand up and defend yourself is far from shooting someone’s brains everywhere. As I said before its a tricky subject and unfortunately the shooter should face the same consequences any action such as this will.

Emotions tend to exacerbate reactions,crimes of passion are often the most bloody and violent
 
And there was much rejoicing.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-cou...-alleged-bully-s-death-1.1428013#.UKzgtmeVpkM

Johannesburg - Relieved. At peace. Free. These are some of the feelings expressed by pupils at Phineas Xulu Secondary School after the fatal shooting of

Nkululeko Ndlovu by another pupil on Tuesday.

Early on Tuesday a Grade 11 pupil, 18, apparently tired of being bullied, took his mother’s gun to school and shot dead his tormenter in the classroom. He has been arrested and charged with murder.

The pupils, who could not be named, told The Star they were neither saddened nor bothered by Nkululeko’s death, as they, too, had been victims of his bullying.

“We never [wanted] to go to the toilets because were were scared of him. One day I was at the toilet and he came in, grabbed me by my private parts and took my money. His friends were just standing there, laughing,” a Grade 8 boy, 14, said.

Others said Nkululeko often took their caps, memory cards and money. They did not fight back because they were scared of him, saying he and his friends used to smoke dagga at the toilets.

A Grade 10 girl said that if the school had taken action against Nkululeko and his friends a long time ago, this would have not happened.

A boy agreed: “He and his friends would not attend classes, but nothing happened. They knew what was going on and had they done something about it, this would have not happened.

Charles Phahlane, spokesman for the provincial Education Department, said the school was aware that Nkululeko had had behavioural problems, and they had been working with his grandmother to address them.

Phahlane denied that they could have prevented the incident.

“We were intervening, the school and the grandmother were addressing the issue,” he said.

Phahlane said the pupil’s mother was a metro police officer and the boy had used her official firearm to kill the Grade 10 boy.

The Ekurhuleni metro police , meanwhile, said the officer belonged to the SAPS, while Gauteng SAPS spokeswoman Captain Pinky Tsinyane said she did not know about the mother or what kind of gun was used, but that investigations were under way.


She said the teenager, who was arrested on the scene, would appear in the Vosloorus Magistrate’s Court soon on charges of murder and possession of an unlicensed gun.

An unnamed school official, who answered the principal’s phone on Tuesday, said: “There will be no comment from the school.”

The department arranged for counsellors and representatives from faith-based groups to come to the school.

Phahlane said Education MEC Barbara Creecy and Community Safety MEC Faith Mazibuko would meet to discuss ways to curb schoolchildren’s access to firearms.

In a recent study by Unisa’s Bureau of Market Research among about 3 300 pupils at 24 Gauteng high schools, 34 percent said they had been bullied in the past two years.

– Additional reporting by Louise Flanagan
 
Relieved. At peace. Free. These are some of the feelings expressed by pupils at Phineas Xulu Secondary School after the fatal shooting of

Nkululeko Ndlovu by another pupil on Tuesday.

They clearly have no problem with killing someone.
 
Hopefully he pleads not guilty by reason of mental disorder and/or insanity.

He should not have to serve time in prison.

The bully must have pushed him over the edge and the bully got what he deserved. In fact, as harsh as this sounds, I hope all bullies get what they deserve.
 
So many anti-death penalty people in here saying the death the bully suffered was justified...

Clear to see who was bullied at school :D you guys are funny as hell :p
 
The bully must have pushed him over the edge and the bully got what he deserved. In fact, as harsh as this sounds, I hope all bullies get what they deserve.

Death?

So many anti-death penalty people in here saying the death the bully suffered was justified...

Clear to see who was bullied at school :D you guys are funny as hell :p

:D
 
These are school bullies we are talking about. Not armed hijackers. When was this guy's life in danger? :confused:

If their actions cause you to commit suicide I rate it should be classed as manslaughter,as such i'd argue self defense if you prevented it
 
So many anti-death penalty people in here saying the death the bully suffered was justified...
I'm all for the death penalty :) And in this case though the loss of life should be mourned the bully's life being lost should not,people who take action though frowned upon by many are lauded as heroes by those that were there
 
These are school bullies we are talking about. Not armed hijackers. When was this guy's life in danger? :confused:

I get the feeling that you were the bully in school. That or you have no idea of the mental and emotional toll that being bullied takes on someone, especially a youth.
 
So many anti-death penalty people in here saying the death the bully suffered was justified...

Clear to see who was bullied at school :D you guys are funny as hell :p

Funny and alive ;)
 
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