Question regarding Islam

[anees]

Similarly, during apartheid days, you didn't see 99% of whites protesting against the racist policies of the then government, at every opportunity....

i dont think the problem is really the fact that say 1% are extremists (and 1% of 1.5 billion is still a lot) rather the deafening silence of the remaining 99% to the actions of the 1%.

 

[wise_guy]

@smalltown.You can't use American made movies as template for depicting Islamic history.Its ironic you should mention that particular film akaik the crusaders compromised themselves in the desert when they went out to confront Saladin.If you really want to go the movie route I suggest you see The Message with Anthony Quinn.Far more accurate imo.

 

[STS]

@smalltown.You can't use American made movies as template for depicting Islamic history.Its ironic you should mention that particular film akaik the crusaders compromised themselves in the desert when they went out to confront Saladin.If you really want to go the movie route I suggest you see The Message with Anthony Quinn.Far more accurate imo.

i was going for a more familiar film, and it was more for the culture and beliefs than for the actual history

 

[wise_guy]

Please enlighten me as its been a while since I saw it.What culural aspects depicted in the film was not to your approval?

 

[Frankie]

What is it that makes Islam the religion of choice of most modern day terrorists ?

I must say I think this is a pretty stupid question or plain trolling.

Don't like the question so you label it "trolling" ?

But.. I doubt if anybody who was already a terrorist then decided to follow Islam for any reason (do you really believe extremists are choosing Islam, as if they considered the religions and decided Islam was best to kill people with?).

No, most often they are Muslims that turn to terrorism - why ?

In fact I don't think Islam has much to do with terrorism on it's own, it's simply being used as a propaganda/brainwashing tool because it is the religion of the people who are, in their mind, fighting this war against the west. Any groups/governments that are fighting a war will use their religion to get support from the people, even George Bush did it.

What war were the Bali bombers fighting, and who or what was their target?

And in the case above, they were devout Muslims, championed by a prominent Imam (who got 2 years jail for his involvement), and that Imam is most likely back "leading" his flock.

 

[Alan]

Similarly, during apartheid days, you didn't see 99% of whites protesting against the racist policies of the then government, at every opportunity....

Actually there were mass protests and pressure from 'whites' across the world. Far more than we see now with Zimbabwe for example.

 

[TonyHawk]

i dont think the problem is really the fact that say 1% are extremists (and 1% of 1.5 billion is still a lot) rather the deafening silence of the remaining 99% to the actions of the 1%.

@phenom.The Treaty of Hudaibiyah illustrates that the Prophet always sought to resolve conflict through diplomacy but met stiff opposition in the form of the Quraish who were only prepared to shed Muslim blood.It was this diplomacy that allowed people to willingly accept Islam and avoid further conflict.

Nothing seems willingly here.. more like forcefully.. as I read it... but debatable

 

[wise_guy]

@Tonyhawk.The Prophet said 'let there be no compultion in religion' which effectively means no one was forced to become muslim.The conflict came from the refusal of the Quraysh to live peacefully with the converts.Their knee jerk reaction to this new pnenomenon was to persecute and drive the muslims out of Mecca,the most sacred place for the believers.

 

[STS]

@Tonyhawk.The Prophet said 'let there be no compultion in religion' which effectively means no one was forced to become muslim.The conflict came from the refusal of the Quraysh to live peacefully with the converts.Their knee jerk reaction to this new pnenomenon was to persecute and drive the muslims out of Mecca,the most sacred place for the believers.

that's also how i understood it from reading the Quran, but there are just a lot of examples of this not seeming to be the case, with the constant fighting between christians and muslims in some countries. the christians may not be good guys either, but often when i read stories like that it's the muslims being pinned as the problem. i don't know if it's media bias or if people are misreading the Quran

 

[anees]

Perhaps I should have qualified my statement to say 'whites from South Africa'.

The mass protests you refer to were in the form of sanctions. It is generally easier to critise from abroad.

I think i know why i didn't see 'whites' from around the world protesting....its because the Verwoerd / Botha governments imposed a media block on reporting these kind of protests.

Meanwhile, it was acceptable to go to the NGK on Sunday's and sing the Lord's praises

Actually there were mass protests and pressure from 'whites' across the world. Far more than we see now with Zimbabwe for example.

 

[wise_guy]

Are you justifying eye-for-n-eye?

It was never an eye for an eye.You must remember that the Arabian peninsula, 1400 years ago ,was devoid of any courts,laws,police,security etc.Now you have the Quraysh who were burying their children alive and committing unspeakable acts of evil.When they saw that Muhammed was developing a small band of followers they immediatey became threatened and feared losing their community to a man who basically just spoke about the beauty of Islam.
Their knee jerk reaction was to drive the muslims out of their dwellings and persecute them.All these people did was to defend their rights to live in the land they called home.The muslims only acted in self defence against the band of the marauding Quraysh army.
The amount of casualties from both sides during the Prophets reign was ridiculously low and flies in the face of what most people perceive happened, during those 20 years of conflict.
Muhammed didnt just go out and kill every non beleliver he came across ,no, but those that were willing to shed muslim blood and deny them entry into Mecca(their home) even after an agreement was drawn up ,and signed, had to be dealt with accordingly.
The Prophet was actually invited by the jews to deal in disputes that were taking place in Yathrib.Why would he massacre them as this article illustrates:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina

 

[joy_Energiser]

Do you at least acknowledge that Muslim extremists make up a tiny percentage of the worlds Muslim population? The same way not all Catholic priests are pedophiles?

Sometimes it seems like you can't.

Yea, sure.We also Acknowledge thast Muslims in General have no respect for woman they basically become the males property after marriage.Here are a few facts about it

She has no property or inheritance rights.
The muslim Woman has no right to divorce her husband.
Women are reguraly attacked with acid to the face, god forbid you piss off your husband
Women are stoned to death for various crimes, including adultery.

Now you tell me if you would respect any culture/religion that treat their woman like that, its quite f*king barbaric.

 

[undesign]

Yea, sure.We also Acknowledge thast Muslims in General have no respect for woman they basically become the males property after marriage.Here are a few facts about it

She has no property or inheritance rights.
The muslim Woman has no right to divorce her husband.
Women are reguraly attacked with acid to the face, god forbid you piss off your husband
Women are stoned to death for various crimes, including adultery.

Now you tell me if you would respect any culture/religion that treat their woman like that, its quite f*king barbaric.

I bit of a sweeping generalising, I think.

Having said that, what are "extremists". Militants? Strict adherents to Sharia Law? I'm highly skeptical of the "1% minority" figure always touted when we discuss some of the more oppressive practices of Islam.

 

[grayston]

Yea, sure.We also Acknowledge thast Muslims in General have no respect for woman they basically become the males property after marriage.Here are a few facts about it

She has no property or inheritance rights.
The muslim Woman has no right to divorce her husband.
Women are reguraly attacked with acid to the face, god forbid you piss off your husband
Women are stoned to death for various crimes, including adultery.

Now you tell me if you would respect any culture/religion that treat their woman like that, its quite f*king barbaric.

What exactly makes you believe that it is specifically Muslim religion causing this maltreatment of women?

I mean, take South Africa. Women in rural areas are seen as property. Very few of the "men" treating them this way are Muslims.

 

[joy_Energiser]

What exactly makes you believe that it is specifically Muslim religion causing this maltreatment of women?

I mean, take South Africa. Women in rural areas are seen as property. Very few of the "men" treating them this way are Muslims.

Well sure, where ever else its happening must be stopped, but basically my understanding is that this type of treatment of muslim women is condoned by Muslims isn't it ?

 

[SmartKit]

Do you at least acknowledge that Muslim extremists make up a tiny percentage of the worlds Muslim population? The same way not all Catholic priests are pedophiles?

Sometimes it seems like you can't.

*shrug*

The tiny percentage just presses my agenda. I'm not a fan of the religion at all, extremist or not.

*mutters something about fscking macon burgers*

 

[grayston]

Well sure, where ever else its happening must be stopped, but basically my understanding is that this type of treatment of muslim women is condoned by Muslims isn't it ?

Yeah, well? It's condoned by backwater rednecks, pig-screwing Russians, and dumbass Africans. Oh, and decent, god-fearing Christians didn't treat their women terribly well until Western civilisation (which is unaligned with religion, by the way) caught up with them.

I'm just specifically wondering why this maltreatment of women is seen as a Muslim thing.

 

[porchrat]

Yeah, well? It's condoned by backwater rednecks, pig-screwing Russians, and dumbass Africans. Oh, and decent, god-fearing Christians didn't treat their women terribly well until Western civilisation (which is unaligned with religion, by the way) caught up with them.

I'm just specifically wondering why this maltreatment of women is seen as a Muslim thing.

There is a difference between it being seen as a Muslim thing and being seen as an exclusively Muslim thing.

 

[wise_guy]

@joy-energiniser.What are you talking about man.Islam practically redifined womens rights especially with regards to inheritance and divorce.Maybe you should do some research before coming on here with your nonsense.

 

[Fudzy]

@joy-energiniser.What are you talking about man.Islam practically redifined womens rights especially with regards to inheritance and divorce.Maybe you should do some research before coming on here with your nonsense.

The problem I think some users on this site is that they spent too much time on sites like religionofpeace/jihadwatch etc.