Question regarding Islam

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phenom said:
where does it state in teh bible that thou shall bomb abortion clinics, OR even that abortions are wrong and should be made illegal?
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In the Ten Commandments of Jereboth in the Appendix to the Apocrypha: 'And the Lord said unto the children of Bednebott, "Observe ye yonder family planning centre, it shall be as an abomination to thee, thou shalt detonate large quantities of explosive within the confines of the aforementioned abomination, do this in service of me". They were comforted and went forth in the name of the Lord'

I hope that clears up that little misconception.
 
grayston said:
Okay seriously guy, now you're just being scary. It almost sounds like you're half-worried that the Quran *does* include solid governmental directives for make benefit glorious religion of Islam using terrorism, and you want to check.

Without having read the Quran, let me assure you that it does not advocate terrorism any more or less than the Old Testament does.
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hmmmm so all I want to check your quote and that what you term as..... scary. :cry:
I am not a terrorist I dont aspire to meet you one day and blow you up, I have no inclination to kill you or harm u in any way, even in an conversation I do not wish to cause you pain by insulting you or other means,
I just ask where is your source
 
Mineer said:
hmmmm so all I want to check your quote and that what you term as..... scary. :cry:
I am not a terrorist I dont aspire to meet you one day and blow you up, I have no inclination to kill you or harm u in any way, even in an conversation I do not wish to cause you pain by insulting you or other means,
I just ask where is your source
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Well, that's the irony, isn't it? There IS no bit of the Quran which advocates terrorism. There is nothing in the Quran about defending Islam to the death that isn't also in the Old Testament about defending Judaism. Islam is just another religion, and religions have violent pasts. That's the problem with living your life by a thousand year old book. Shít was violent back then.

The problem with Islam is its followers, not its message. Its message is, like in all religions, be good to your fellow man, work hard, love one another (but not too much) and you will be assured a better life after death.

Islam isn't violent. Hell, I've been scareder of woes Dutch Reformed Kerk okes than I ever have been of Muslims.

The point is: anyone who says Islam is inherently violent is doing nothing other than trying to justify a) wars against Islamic countries and b) prejudice against Islamic people.

Simple as that.
 
The Taliban has claimed that Britain is its greatest source of revenue and the group is funded by donations in mosques and Muslim community centres around the country.
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grayston said:
Well, that's the irony, isn't it? There IS no bit of the Quran which advocates terrorism. There is nothing in the Quran about defending Islam to the death that isn't also in the Old Testament about defending Judaism.
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Again, you failed to read the OP. Get on topic.
 
Rosaudio said:
The Taliban has claimed that Britain is its greatest source of revenue and the group is funded by donations in mosques and Muslim community centres around the country.
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Right and we should believe what a terrorist organization has to say?

And someone had it spot on, why do we have to march to prove that we are opposed to Terrorism? And also dont bother looking for blogs and stuff about Muslims against terrorism. Come visit the mosque I attend on a friday, and you will have a chance to hear how our community condemns terrorism.
 
grayston said:
Well, that's the irony, isn't it? There IS no bit of the Quran which advocates terrorism. There is nothing in the Quran about defending Islam to the death that isn't also in the Old Testament about defending Judaism. Islam is just another religion, and religions have violent pasts. That's the problem with living your life by a thousand year old book. Shít was violent back then.

The problem with Islam is its followers, not its message. Its message is, like in all religions, be good to your fellow man, work hard, love one another (but not too much) and you will be assured a better life after death.

Islam isn't violent. Hell, I've been scareder of woes Dutch Reformed Kerk okes than I ever have been of Muslims.

The point is: anyone who says Islam is inherently violent is doing nothing other than trying to justify a) wars against Islamic countries and b) prejudice against Islamic people.

Simple as that.
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As someone who is not a member of any of those religions, I don't see the evil in their respective scriptures cancelling eachother out, as an "acceptable" resolution.
 
grayston said:
The problem with Islam is its followers, not its message. Its message is, like in all religions, be good to your fellow man, work hard, love one another (but not too much) and you will be assured a better life after death.
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phenom said:
Well what do they follow?
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People. People who have interests in causing shít right here on earth - usually for their own gain. A credulous population is a dangerously malleable thing. Case in point: the majority of South Africa's ANC supporters.

I know you'll be stunned to hear this, but: it's not what the book says, it's what the guy holding the book says. How's your history knowledge, son? Did you know that Christians ordered people to be put to death for the heinous crime of owning a Bible not written in Latin? They knew exactly what would happen if ordinary people were allowed to make up their own minds!

The only difference between Islam now and Christianity 400 years ago, is that we now have access to bombs.
 
grayston said:
I read the OP. We've moved on since then. Try to keep up. :p
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Haha, you sure did, so much so that you were having a hissy over my reply to the OP while attempting to unilaterally change the topic after the fact. By all means take it in your misguided direction if you'd rather avoid the actual topic which is the attitude towards Muslims, general perception of Muslims by non-Muslims, the number of Muslim extremists, support from the general international Muslim population :D
 
Pynet said:
No ofcos not, I think suicide bombers are the most misguided bunch out there, as Islam forbids suicide!
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Yes Islam forbids it, and the reward / punishment for that type of action is a constant re-enactment of the pain involved, but yet there are also verses construed together to 'motivate' this.
I have been reading the book "Religion of Peace" and here is a excerpt from it:
Surah 9:111 Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the paradise.
They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. Its a promise in truth in truth which is binding on Him in the tarot (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ?
Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success
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It is this 'kill others and are killed" that serves as justification for what we call suicide bombing. "Suicide" bombing would indeed be forbidden by Islam - it's just that strapping explosives to oneself and wading into a crowd of infidels is not considered suicide, but rather a legitimate act of jihad.

While many Muslims dispute the tactical wisdom of suicide bombing, it is absurd to claim that there is any blanket Islamic proscription of it
 
@anthropoid.That verse was revealed during the battle of Uhud when the non beleivers came in force to crush the muslims.The non beleivers adopted a kill all and take no prisoners approach.The muslims therefore obliged accordingly.
 
What is it that makes Islam the religion of choice of most modern day terrorists ?
 
@phenom.Please be so kind as to quote the preceding verse ie 9:13.Tks in advance.
 
Tks bro.It would have been nice if highlighted the part that says 'And they attacked you first'
 
Frankie said:
What is it that makes Islam the religion of choice of most modern day terrorists ?
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I must say I think this is a pretty stupid question or plain trolling.

But.. I doubt if anybody who was already a terrorist then decided to follow Islam for any reason (do you really believe extremists are choosing Islam, as if they considered the religions and decided Islam was best to kill people with?). In fact I don't think Islam has much to do with terrorism on it's own, it's simply being used as a propaganda/brainwashing tool because it is the religion of the people who are, in their mind, fighting this war against the west. Any groups/governments that are fighting a war will use their religion to get support from the people, even George Bush did it.
 
Lets flip the table around. If Christian extremists flew planes into WTC do you think there would be Christanaphobes and sites obscuring religious scriptures? I do. See how pointless bashing a terrorists religion is?
 
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