Racial Classification

[Capetonian688]

Well the SA Government told me that I am dead but that does not mean that I am......

How can you be dead? Unless you have filled in a death certificate, you cannot be officially "dead" as recognised by the SA Government.
What sort of a statement is this??
I do not understand.

 

[GavinMannion]

I am sorry you did not see my response on this issue. I responded many times and I will respond now again for your convenience.

Answer: read the conditions above the dotted line at the end of the form where you have to sign.

Generally the racial question is optional therefore omitting to answer it would not open me up for prosecution.

I would like to know from you which forms make this a mandatory field and under which law I would be prosecuted.....

 

[bwana]

How can you be dead? Unless you have filled in a death certificate, you cannot be officially "dead" as recognised by the SA Government.
What sort of a statement is this??
I do not understand.

Dead people dont usually fill out death certificates.

 

[BobbyMac]

Yeah they only distinguish now between SA/Non-SA citizen and I think male/female.

The South African Identity Number was 13 digits long. The first six digits gave the birth date of the holder (year, month, and date). The next four digits acted as a serial number to distinguish people born on the same day, and to differentiate between the sexes: digits 0000 to 4999 were for females, 5000 to 9999 for males. The eleventh digit indicated whether the holder was a SA citizen (0) or not (1) - the latter for foreigners who had rights of residency. The penultimate digit recorded race, according to the above list - from Whites (0) to Other Coloured (7). The final digit of the ID number was an arithmetical control (like the last digit on ISBN numbers).

The racial criteria for identity numbers was removed by the 1986 Identification Act (which also repealed the 1952 Blacks (Abolition of Passes and Co-ordination of Documents) Act, otherwise known as the Pass Law) whilst the 1986 Restoration of South African Citizenship Act returned citizenship rights to its Black population.

source: http://africanhistory.about.com/library/bl/blIdentityNumber.htm

 

[GavinMannion]

How can you be dead? Unless you have filled in a death certificate, you cannot be officially "dead" as recognised by the SA Government.
What sort of a statement is this??
I do not understand.

Strangely enough it becomes slightly difficult to complete a death certificate when dead... luckily though the government allows a third party to complete this form on the deceased behalf.

However they sometimes make a mistake which causes a living person to be marked as deceased.

Hopefully you understand now?

 

[zeridine]

If you sign your forms you would read and understand the conditions of signature. Because you asked me the question, what law you would be breaking, it follows that you do not read the conditions, OR do not sign.

You phrases are very amusing and placed each on its own line. It reads like a formal letter, however, you use no capitol letters. Also at the end, you extend a word using the "a" letter many times, adding even more amusement to the paragraph. I do not know if this was your intention; I merely indicate to you that I find it amusing and it made me smile!

Your statement on AA/BEE and white woman is interesting.
I did not know that.

quite the perceptive one.

i think everyone is arguing in circles here.
racial profiling is probably needed for admin etc.
profiling races based on skin colour and then calling one group a name based on a place (ie. african) is short sighted by our govt.
AA/BEE is probably in theory a good thing in the sense they want to correct injustices of the past. BUT giving a reversed form of 'apartheid-lite' now, to correct these problems as quick as possible is looking for trouble.
It is constantly in the news about govt complaining about skills shortages and the so-called brain drain. Govt should be the sole blame for this as they dismiss the 'evil whites/pale males' and appoint those without proper qualifications/experience. why not correct the problem at its root - EDUCATION. [thread hi-jack complete]

 

[Capetonian688]

It does suit your Agenda. You are Black and African, but you don't want to be called Black because that's exactly how the previous regime pigeonholed you, so now you go with the government attributed "African" instead. You should be content with being a South African - but that's not enough - why is that exactly?

My man, you do not know anything about my agenda. You don't even know me. Why do you wish to frame me inside your own viewpoint of all Africans?

 

[Capetonian688]

Rubbish - the racial identifier was removed from the South African Identity number more than a decade ago.

Yes, so there must be many 10-year old children out there who are submitting SARS forms for tax returns.

 

[BobbyMac]

My man, you do not know anything about my agenda. You don't even know me. Why do you wish to frame me inside your own viewpoint of all Africans?

I don't - your government does, and may I point out that you agree with them (your own words)?

 

[BobbyMac]

Yes, so there must be many 10-year old children out there who are submitting SARS forms for tax returns.

What are you on about? ALL id numbers had the racial classification removed. Not just the last 10 years ID numbers.

 

[Capetonian688]

Generally the racial question is optional therefore omitting to answer it would not open me up for prosecution.

I would like to know from you which forms make this a mandatory field and under which law I would be prosecuted.....

I do not know this. I thought they were all mandatory. Clearly you present yourself to have a better "general" knowledge of which forms have this as optional or mandatory, so please go ahead and give some examples of those specific forms.

 

[Capetonian688]

Dead people dont usually fill out death certificates.

I was not referring to YOU specifically, but you in general. I.e. the family of the deceased, or the doctor (I am not sure), who would fill out the death certificate.

Why are we talking about death??

 

[BobbyMac]

I was not referring to YOU specifically, but you in general. I.e. the family of the deceased, or the doctor (I am not sure), who would fill out the death certificate.

Why are we talking about death??

You questioned why someone would be alive even though the government said they're not - subsequent answers by the people YOU (specifically) now question provided suitable reasoning. Try and keep up.

 

[Capetonian688]

Strangely enough it becomes slightly difficult to complete a death certificate when dead... luckily though the government allows a third party to complete this form on the deceased behalf.

However they sometimes make a mistake which causes a living person to be marked as deceased.

Hopefully you understand now?

Ah I see, this is what happened in this case... okay I understand now.

 

[Syndyre]

Yes, so there must be many 10-year old children out there who are submitting SARS forms for tax returns.

I think people's ID numbers were adjusted when they applied for the new bar coded ID's, not sure, either way I'm not 10 and I don't have a race-specific ID number.

 

[Capetonian688]

I don't - your government does, and may I point out that you agree with them (your own words)?

I said I agree with my government classifying me as AFRICAN (and not white / coloured / asian). I did not say anything about AFRICAN as apposed to BLACK, nor did I state or imply any other agreements with government procedures in general or in my particular case.

Please do not make statements based on things I did not say or imply.

 

[BobbyMac]

I said I agree with my government classifying me as AFRICAN (and not white / coloured / asian). I did not say anything about AFRICAN as apposed to BLACK, nor did I state or imply any other agreements with government procedures in general or in my particular case.

Please do not make statements based on things I did not say or imply.

Would you prefer being called Black or African?

 

[Capetonian688]

What are you on about? ALL id numbers had the racial classification removed. Not just the last 10 years ID numbers.

Nope. You are wrong. My ID number is still the same, as are the ID numbers of many, many other South Africans I know. The ID number I still fill in everywhere, and there are no stipulation on any of the places that I fill in, that the last digit(s) must not be filled in, or can be ignored, or whatever. The full ID is filled in everywhere.

 

[Robin Hood]

Best "joke" of all is, they call themselfes "afrikaaners"....totaly wrong...In the REAL term, and you can go back in history, it actualy means "Boere"... An Englishman ( that lives in this country ) for instance, is not an Afrikaaner, but a Suid-Afrikaaner....there is a diff...

 

[blonde one]

How can you be dead? Unless you have filled in a death certificate, you cannot be officially "dead" as recognised by the SA Government.
What sort of a statement is this??
I do not understand.

What I was saying is that the SA Government has managed to make this mistake and classify me as deceased when I am clearly not. I was merely pointing out that what the Government says is not always correct.

I define myself as African because that is what the SA Government tells me I am. And I agree with it.

So you see your quote (above) is debatable - what they tell me is not correct - I AM alive and I will remain an African no matter what they tell me!