Reckless superbikers

[cYcLIc]

Everyone is fine. Just a close call.

Leslie Ave is a narrow 2 lane 60km/h road. Generally, people do up to 70 or 80km/h. Now, I don't know exactly how fast this guy was going, but he made the other 2 cars he passed look like they were standing still. He covered 300m within 2 blinks of an eye.

Anyway, the incident in question: I was at a T junction with the top part of the T being Leslie Ave. I was getting ready to cross over and turn right into Leslie. The road was clear on both sides except for 2 cars on the left which were +-300m away close to a bend. The biker nowhere to be seen. As I start to cross the road, the biker comes around both cars at insane speed. He was far from me, but moving so fast that I had no choice but to stop in the middle of the road because I didn't think that his bike could slow down quick enough. By the time his bike reached my car, the cars he had passed were still at least 200m away.

I'm lucky that no cars were coming in the opposite direction otherwise my stop would have caused an accident. I thought his behaviour was very reckless.

Other issues I've had with these guys are related to lane splitting. You indicate and start moving into a lane and all of a sudden they appear at speed. I don't like bikers anymore.

 

[skeptic_SA]

I don't like bikers anymore.

Glad to see you're softening up... Seems we've move up from being worse than taxis.

Just like one swallow doesn't the summer make... Not all bikers are soles.
Watch the video posted #39. You'll fall in love with us all over again.

Friday OUT. Have a safe weekend y'all

 

[Archer]

Distance - 300m
Time - Two blinks (apparently around 400ms per blink, lets round that up to 1 second total)
Speed - 300m/s
Thats 1080km/h

Seems pretty reckless to me

 

[cYcLIc]

Glad to see you're softening up... Seems we've move up from being worse than taxis.

Just like one swallow doesn't the summer make... Not all bikers are soles.
Watch the video posted #39. You'll fall in love with us all over again.

Friday OUT. Have a safe weekend y'all

I'm only joking about that part. Unfortunately, a few of my friends are hardcore bikers so I don't have a choice, but tt doesn't help that they are also douches on the road. Ill watch the video.

 

[pinball wizard]

Thats 1080km/h

Seems pretty reckless to me

Is that on the Kwakka H2R? I knew it was fast but, yikes!

 

[TehStranger]

Make a post about how a "cager" was driving like a box and no one blinks an eye.

Make a post about how a biker was riding like a box and every other biker comes in to defend him without knowing the full details of the situation.



I encounter poor driving every single day of my life. Most of the offenders are in cars and taxis, some of them are on bikes. This doesn't mean I can't complain about all of them (bikers included).

Disclaimer: I have many biker friends, and I've lost two mates to bike accidents (two separate incidents, one wasn't at fault, the other was). Because of this I try my utmost to adopt a "biker friendly" driving style. But I find it hard to sympathise when you have no licence plate on, when you speed excessively (I'm talking double the speed limit here) and when you do stupid **** (wheelie away from robots etc. - though this is mostly the youngsters).

 

[SauRoNZA]

^^^^ - this. It happens to me a lot in the mornings where there is a hill and trucks block up the slow lane so you have cars almost stationary moving across to the fast lane and often the bikes are going 120+ between almost stationary cars that are trying to change lanes. They can see what's happening in front of them, but still get annoyed when a driver changes lanes.

I love all you folks who have radar guns for eyes.

Your perception of speed is probably double that of the actual speed, but because you are standing still you figure everything is crazy fast.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Everyone is fine. Just a close call.

Leslie Ave is a narrow 2 lane 60km/h road. Generally, people do up to 70 or 80km/h. Now, I don't know exactly how fast this guy was going, but he made the other 2 cars he passed look like they were standing still. He covered 300m within 2 blinks of an eye.

Don't confuse acceleration with outright speed.

Bikes can get to that 70 or 80km/h almost instantly compared to the cars trying to do the same. Assuming your guesstimate of distance is perfectly accurate, which it isn't, 80km/h is 22m/s so it would take 13 seconds to cover it.

Anyway, the incident in question: I was at a T junction with the top part of the T being Leslie Ave. I was getting ready to cross over and turn right into Leslie. The road was clear on both sides except for 2 cars on the left which were +-300m away close to a bend. The biker nowhere to be seen. As I start to cross the road, the biker comes around both cars at insane speed. He was far from me, but moving so fast that I had no choice but to stop in the middle of the road because I didn't think that his bike could slow down quick enough. By the time his bike reached my car, the cars he had passed were still at least 200m away.

Any chance he was there all along but you didn't see him because you weren't looking for him?

Other issues I've had with these guys are related to lane splitting. You indicate and start moving into a lane and all of a sudden they appear at speed. I don't like bikers anymore.

Again, any chance you weren't looking for them or didn't look properly before changing lanes? You can't just put your indicator on and start moving thinking you have right of way. You need to check that you can move first, then indicate that you plan to move.



Not saying there aren't crazy okes on bikes...there are plenty. But also don't make yourself into the innocent victim either.

Even as a biker I've found myself jumping in front of a scooter once that was in plain sight, but I wasn't looking for them and got caught out. The same happens X10 for most car owners.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Make a post about how a "cager" was driving like a box and no one blinks an eye.

Make a post about how a biker was riding like a box and every other biker comes in to defend him without knowing the full details of the situation.

Always two sides to the coin and more often than not one of them is based on pure ignorance.

Disclaimer: I have many biker friends, and I've lost two mates to bike accidents (two separate incidents, one wasn't at fault, the other was). Because of this I try my utmost to adopt a "biker friendly" driving style. But I find it hard to sympathise when you have no licence plate on, when you speed excessively (I'm talking double the speed limit here) and when you do stupid **** (wheelie away from robots etc. - though this is mostly the youngsters).

100% agreed there.

Wheelies aren't the end of the world, but there is a time and a place for that as well.

 

[Archer]

Let's ask the car folks. If you are standing still, how fast do you think a motorcycle should pass you? Generally (the more sane) riders will do 20-30km/h faster than traffic.

ie if you are standing still a sane rider will do 20-30km/h. Is that fast? Now lets relate that to the real world. Doing 20km/h is 5.5m/s and a typical car is around 4m long. So going that slow, a motorcycle passes you under a second. This is the aim for two reasons - to get out your blind spot fast enough to minimise risk but also slow enough to be able to avoid the traffic and/or pedestrians.

Probably not the case for the OP, but that should give car drivers a better sense of the speeds involved.

 

[Ancalagon]

Wow the Biker Defense Force (tm) is out in full strength!

Car does 120 in a 60 zone - car drivers and bike drivers call him a P035.

Bike does 120 in a 60 zone - bikers tell us we just don't understand.

Yeah um no.

 

[Archer]

Wow the Biker Defense Force (tm) is out in full strength!

Car does 120 in a 60 zone - car drivers and bike drivers call him a P035.

Bike does 120 in a 60 zone - bikers tell us we just don't understand.

Yeah um no.

We've already established the bike was doing 1080km/h, and this is indeed reckless. You may rest assured that even the most hardcore of bikers will agree to this

And you basically ignore the mostly sane responses, but that maintains your world view so it is expected

 

[thehuman]

Car covers 100m
Bike covers 300m
In same time
Asume speed of car 60km/h
Means bike easy 180km/h

 

[SauRoNZA]

Wow the Biker Defense Force (tm) is out in full strength!

Car does 120 in a 60 zone - car drivers and bike drivers call him a P035.

Bike does 120 in a 60 zone - bikers tell us we just don't understand.

Yeah um no.

Nope you got it all wrong.

We all questioned whether he actually did 120...or was simply perceived to do 120 because everything else is standing still.

60 KM/H appears **** fast if you are standing next to the road and a car comes past you.

*****

And there are reckless bikes. But as has been pointed out people's perception of speed is also way off.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Car covers 100m
Bike covers 300m
In same time
Asume speed of car 60km/h
Means bike easy 180km/h

And the person seeing these distances has a laser measuring tape in their brain?

Not to mention the word "assume" you used there throwing it all out.

 

[Archer]

And the person seeing these distances has a laser measuring tape in their brain?

Comes standard with the radar gun eyes

 

[Ancalagon]

Nope you got it all wrong.

We all questioned whether he actually did 120...or was simply perceived to do 120 because everything else is standing still.

60 KM/H appears **** fast if you are standing next to the road and a car comes past you.

Yes, we should assume that the biker was in fact driving safely. We all know that bikers always drive safely, never speed or ride recklessly. We should definitely question the judgment of the OP - he simply lacks the mental capabilities to estimate speed.

 

[thehuman]

Bikes are safe
Tell that to the kids (17) mom who lost his child after he bought himself a superbike heard him and bike ended inside car . This was in a 70 km/h limit

 

[SauRoNZA]

Comes standard with the radar gun eyes

Yup, package deal.

Yes, we should assume that the biker was in fact driving safely. We all know that bikers always drive safely, never speed or ride recklessly. We should definitely question the judgment of the OP - he simply lacks the mental capabilities to estimate speed.

Nobody said we should assume that.

I'm pretty sure the bike was speeding...not sure about the reckless part though.

He may have been doing 80km/h...but the OP adds so much drama to it that it sounds like 180km/h.

This while using complete guesstimation to prove the point, which he might in fact have been in the wrong while not seeing the bike in the first place...and now plays the victim.


You won't believe how many "I didn't see you's" I've personally experienced or witnessed while going perfectly legally about my way in as safe a manner as possible.

 

[Archer]

Yes, we should assume that the biker was in fact driving safely. We all know that bikers always drive safely, never speed or ride recklessly. We should definitely question the judgment of the OP - he simply lacks the mental capabilities to estimate speed.

Again, it may not be the case in the OP but bikes tend to get big on you really fast because of their size. So when they seem to 200m away, they may be 100m or less. It's simply the way it is. In this case the OP seems to have other reference points so it may very well be true, I certainly don't know. But there are a couple of things everyones brains do that make it tricky to gauge the distance and speed of a motorcycle.