Reckless superbikers

[SauRoNZA]

Bikes are safe
Tell that to the kids (17) mom who lost his child after he bought himself a superbike heard him and bike ended inside car . This was in a 70 km/h limit

Nobody was arguing safety, so I don't know where you fall out of the tree.

Why was the mom allowing her son to purchase a superbike and ride it illegally? Hmmm?

Also, please learn to English.

 

[TehStranger]

Always two sides to the coin and more often than not one of them is based on pure ignorance.

Sometimes that side is the car, sometimes that side is the biker. No need to always jump to the bikers defence, sometimes those who complain about bikers have legitimate issues.

I also disagree with the go-to argument of "you don't have radar guns for eyes, he was obviously going much slower than you think". I've spent my entire life around fast cars and bikes, both as a spectator and racing them myself (cars that is). I have a damn good idea of what speed is. I know when a biker lane splits stationery traffic at 25km/h (acceptable IMHO) and when he does it at 60km/h (unacceptable). I know when he's doing 120km/h in a 60km/h zone (usually because he flies past me like I'm standing still).

100% agreed there.

Wheelies aren't the end of the world, but there is a time and a place for that as well.

Here I agree, I'm not against some safe, innocent fun (I can't say I don't power slide around town when it's safe to do so). Some of the dumb wheelies I've seen though...

 

[SauRoNZA]

Sometimes that side is the car, sometimes that side is the biker. No need to always jump to the bikers defence, sometimes those who complain about bikers have legitimate issues.

I (personally) wasn't jumping to anyone's defense. Just adding some perspective. Like I said there are plenty of twats on bikes. The case in question was probably a twat too.

I also disagree with the go-to argument of "you don't have radar guns for eyes, he was obviously going much slower than you think". I've spent my entire life around fast cars and bikes, both as a spectator and racing them myself (cars that is). I have a damn good idea of what speed is. I know when a biker lane splits stationery traffic at 25km/h (acceptable IMHO) and when he does it at 60km/h (unacceptable). I know when he's doing 120km/h in a 60km/h zone (usually because he flies past me like I'm standing still).

So have I, but on the opposite of the coin I can tell you that when I'm standing still there is no way in hell I can judge speed accurately.

Like during your advanced training schools and you stand next to the track and someone needs to stop from 60, 80 or 100km/h to zero...all three of those are ****ing fast when they come past you. There is no way to gauge which speed is which.

Here I agree, I'm not against some safe, innocent fun (I can't say I don't power slide around town when it's safe to do so). Some of the dumb wheelies I've seen though...

yeah...don't learn to wheelie on the road.

Do the wheelies once you know what's potting.

Same way when you lost the arse end of your car and managed to steer out of it...don't go tell your friends how you were drifting. Rather just admit you ****ed it up and managed to escape with your life.

 

[Necropolis]

I (personally) wasn't jumping to anyone's defense. Just adding some perspective. Like I said there are plenty of twats on bikes. The case in question was probably a twat too.

You kind of were...

Just saying.

The majority of the bikers I see on a daily basis are the clowns flying down the space between the rightmost lane and the concrete barrier on the N1.

And yes they are going fast - when I'm going between 100 and 120km/h and they fly past me they are well above the speed limit.

 

[Pitbull]

You kind of were...

Just saying.

The majority of the bikers I see on a daily basis are the clowns flying down the space between the rightmost lane and the concrete barrier on the N1.

And yes they are going fast - when I'm going between 100 and 120km/h and they fly past me they are well above the speed limit.

What's that saying again...

O right, Green of Envy

Just because you need to sit in traffic doesn't mean everyone else does

 

[Ancalagon]

As I've always said before, you get twats on both bikes and cars.

The difference is that a twat on a bike has an entitlement complex, expects cars to look out for him, AND his buddies will stick up for him just because he is a biker. You can see it in this very thread.

 

[Necropolis]

As I've always said before, you get twats on both bikes and cars.

The difference is that a twat on a bike has an entitlement complex, expects cars to look out for him, AND his buddies will stick up for him just because he is a biker. You can see it in this very thread.

Agreed.

 

[SykomantiS]

You kind of were...

Just saying.

The majority of the bikers I see on a daily basis are the clowns flying down the space between the rightmost lane and the concrete barrier on the N1.

And yes they are going fast - when I'm going between 100 and 120km/h and they fly past me they are well above the speed limit.

I live in Pretoria and work in Midrand. Now how is it that I've never been passed on the right when in the rightmost lane, whether I'm on my bike or in my SUV? Like, ever? And yet, these are the majority of the bikes you see on the N1?

 

[TehStranger]

I (personally) wasn't jumping to anyone's defense. Just adding some perspective. Like I said there are plenty of twats on bikes. The case in question was probably a twat too.

You were to a point, though my post wasn't aimed at you specifically, but all bikers who jump into these types of threads and assuming the biker was not at fault.

So have I, but on the opposite of the coin I can tell you that when I'm standing still there is no way in hell I can judge speed accurately.

Like during your advanced training schools and you stand next to the track and someone needs to stop from 60, 80 or 100km/h to zero...all three of those are ****ing fast when they come past you. There is no way to gauge which speed is which.

You can't tell a 67% difference in speed when you're stationery (100 vs 60)? I'm fairly sure you could, perhaps not at the exact point that someone passes you, but seeing them progress away from you makes it very noticeable. I'd love to make some videos to test this (stationery camera pointing towards the direction of travel, then have cars pass it and progress at constant speeds), but I don't have a private stretch of road to do it. Would make for very interesting comparisons I reckon.

yeah...don't learn to wheelie on the road.

Do the wheelies once you know what's potting.

Same way when you lost the arse end of your car and managed to steer out of it...don't go tell your friends how you were drifting. Rather just admit you ****ed it up and managed to escape with your life.

Bit dramatic, but I do get what you're saying. For the record I've seen probably 10 wheelie fails on the road in the last year, but only 1 drifting fail, despite being around far more cars than bikes.

As I've always said before, you get twats on both bikes and cars.

The difference is that a twat on a bike has an entitlement complex, expects cars to look out for him, AND his buddies will stick up for him just because he is a biker. You can see it in this very thread.

I find this statement true for most (not all) bikers. This includes my mates.

 

[Pitbull]

As I've always said before, you get twats on both bikes and cars.

The difference is that a twat on a bike has an entitlement complex, expects cars to look out for him, AND his buddies will stick up for him just because he is a biker. You can see it in this very thread.

It's nothing to do with bikers or the group mentality.

If you see a massive big arse guy beating down on a puny little nitwit, you will automatically jump to the small guy's defence as your protective instinct kicks in. If the small guy is beating down on the big guy, everyone around them will cheer him on. (Not knowing what happened or how it happened)

Now a guy on a bike is the small guy. He will surely get sever injuries or die if involved in an accident with a car. The car will suffer some cosmetic damage. You're trying to make an issue of this "think bike" campain when you say "Expect cars to look out for him" How many times have you read articles where the biker dies in a crash and then the car driver will say: "But I didn't see him"

Come on now. Your grudge is shining through man

 

[WhiteRaven]

As I've always said before, you get twats on both bikes and cars.

The difference is that a twat on a bike has an entitlement complex, expects cars to look out for him, AND his buddies will stick up for him just because he is a biker. You can see it in this very thread.

I expect everyone to be looking out for me, because i'm sure as hell are looking out for you. If you not watching everywhere you're on auto pilot and that's when judgements (oh you drive/ride like a ****) and accidents happen. As a responsible driver/rider you should know what is going on around you the whole time.

 

[Archer]

As I've always said before, you get twats on both bikes and cars.

The difference is that a twat on a bike has an entitlement complex, expects cars to look out for him, AND his buddies will stick up for him just because he is a biker. You can see it in this very thread.

I'm certain almost all posts I've made on the matter in the past explicitly state I don't expect anyone to look out for me.

But in case you missed it, I strongly advise anyone on a motorcycle pretends that he/she is invisible to everyone around him/her and rides accordingly because a car will always beat a bike

 

[Pox]

I'm certain almost all posts I've made on the matter in the past explicitly state I don't expect anyone to look out for me.

But in case you missed it, I strongly advise anyone on a motorcycle pretends that he/she is invisible to everyone around him/her and rides accordingly because a car will always beat a bike

This is my attitude to riding a bike. Assume everyone else is out to kill you. And if you are going to ride like an idiot, then do it in such a way that you only kill yourself and not bystanders.

You get idiot car drivers and idiot bike riders. The reason the bikes get so much attention is because they are so much faster than cars. That is why you will notice the bike speeders, they can get past you in traffic while the car speeder will be much less noticeable.

 

[Necropolis]

I live in Pretoria and work in Midrand. Now how is it that I've never been passed on the right when in the rightmost lane, whether I'm on my bike or in my SUV? Like, ever? And yet, these are the majority of the bikes you see on the N1?

N1 South - between Malibongwe and the N12 Interchange...

 

[redarrow]

Make a post about how a "cager" was driving like a box and no one blinks an eye.

Make a post about how a biker was riding like a box and every other biker comes in to defend him without knowing the full details of the situation.

In my experience bikers get hit with generalisation's way more, like in this thread "superbikers with gopro's".. Usually when someone complains about a motorist they just single him out, when was the last time you saw someone say something like "motorists are morons because today I got cut off.."

People also to seem to forget, almost every biker is also a motorist (I've only ever known one biker who exclusively rode bikes) on the flip side most motorists aren't also bikers, therefore, logically most bikers have way more experience speaking from the other side of the fence. I reckon this makes us less biased rather than more, that might sound a bit obnoxious perhaps but it doesn't make it less true.

Finally bikers are probably more defensive because we generally look out for each other. Perhaps non-bikers never notice this, but complete strangers on bikes often acknowledge each other on the road. Perhaps if everyone was more friendly like this the roads would be a more pleasant place to be..

 

[Necropolis]

In my experience bikers get hit with generalisation's way more, like in this thread "superbikers with gopro's".. Usually when someone complains about a motorist they just single him out, when was the last time you saw someone say something like "motorists are morons because today I got cut off.."

I'm fully of the opinion that 80% of road users (cyclists, pedestrians, bikers, people in cars, truck etc...) are incompentant idiots who think about themselves and no one else on the road

 

[TheTwo]

I'm a girl...

Actually yes, I'm so tiered of people complaining about the bikers.. biker this biker that.. go ride in traffic on 2 wheels for ONE day and not have an incident where someone in a cage almost takes you out because they are to busy trying to find something to tweet about on their phones.

There are still way more car accidents than bike accidents, yes some of them are chops but you can't single one person out because you THINK you know he is being reckless...

Worse if he already knew you are a girl.

Why do you call cars cages?

 

[redarrow]

I'm fully of the opinion that 80% of road users (cyclists, pedestrians, bikers, people in cars, truck etc...) are incompentant idiots who think about themselves and no one else on the road

Touche

 

[SykomantiS]

Worse if he already knew you are a girl.

Why do you call cars cages?

It's a general term used by a lot of bikers. You are basically sitting inside a metal cage with windows and an engine. You're also stuck in traffic and therefore can't go anywhere. I thought it would be self explanatory.

 

[TheTwo]

Ah it's a Biker thing. I get it. But those cages as you call it have air-conditioning and cupholders and Internet if you play on your phone in traffic