RTX 2080 Founders Edition Review

[Theweasel]

I think you're making the issue out to be bigger than it actually is.


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I am obviously, Who do you know that can afford a 16k+ gaming GPU?

These Rtx cards make me sick.They fooled all of you.Dont buy the rtx cards.Its just a copy of the last gen with a few touches here and there.

 

[ekske1]

I am obviously, Who do you know that can afford a 16k+ gaming GPU?

These Rtx cards make me sick.They fooled all of you.Dont buy the rtx cards.Its just a copy of the last gen with a few touches here and there.

and bmw drivers?

 

[genetic]

I am obviously, Who do you know that can afford a 16k+ gaming GPU?

I am going to get one. Just deciding on whether to upgrade to the 9900K first, or get the GPU.

These Rtx cards make me sick.They fooled all of you.Dont buy the rtx cards.Its just a copy of the last gen with a few touches here and there.

These card are obviously not for you then. As you said yourself, maybe you should go back to consoles.

Bleeding edge technology is always expensive. That doesn't mean you have to buy it. There's nothing wrong with the GTX 1000 series. Go for that if that's what your budget allows.

 

[Theweasel]

I am going to get one. Just deciding on whether to upgrade to the 9900K first, or get the GPU.



These card are obviously not for you then. As you said yourself, maybe you should go back to consoles.

Bleeding edge technology is always expensive. That doesn't mean you have to buy it. There's nothing wrong with the GTX 1000 series. Go for that if that's what your budget allows.

Yeah,the 1080 was Affordable.I know theres nothing wrong.

Can't u go for the ryzen 2700x,Last I heard, Intel lied about their 9900k stats.

PC Culture is dead,only the "affluent "blokes can afford that stuff now.And its guys like you that caused this madness of Tyranny with high prices.

Even a young bloke like me can't afford PC gaming anymore

 

[genetic]

Yeah,the 1080 was Affordable.I know theres nothing wrong.

Can't u go for the ryzen 2700x,Last I heard, Intel lied about their 9900k stats.

PC Culture is dead,only the "affluent "blokes can afford that stuff now.And its guys like you that caused this madness of Tyranny with high prices.

Even a young bloke like me can't afford PC gaming anymore

Guys like me?

Thanks for the laugh. GPU's skyrocketed because of mining, not because of gamers... anyway prices have come down recently.

As I said before, you don't need to buy the flagship components. A good decent PC can be had for cheap. Get a 1050ti or 1060. Buy an i5 processor.

You only need to go big if you plan on gaming at 4K 60p+, which is an overkill in many peoples books.

 

[ekske1]

Guys like me?

Thanks for the laugh. GPU's skyrocketed because of mining, not because of gamers... anyway prices have come down recently.

As I said before, you don't need to buy the flagship components. A good decent PC can be had for cheap. Get a 1050ti or 1060. Buy an i5 processor.

You only need to go big if you plan on gaming at 4K 60p+, which is an overkill in many peoples books.

Yes! Guys like you [and me] that seems to work and pay for our parts we like to have. How dare we.

 

[Progenix Oj101]

I am obviously, Who do you know that can afford a 16k+ gaming GPU?

These Rtx cards make me sick.They fooled all of you.Dont buy the rtx cards.Its just a copy of the last gen with a few touches here and there.

That’s an extremely ignorant opinion. These cards are the most revolutionary in years - much more than a decade in fact. More so than the introduction of unified shaders with the GeForce 8000 series. More so than the introduction of programmable pixel and vertex shaders with the GeForce 3. About on par with hardware T&L introduced with the GeForce 256 in fact - hell, maybe even more revolutionary than that. For the first time we are looking at image generation differently. We’re looking at AI for denoising. We’re looking at photon mapping being a real-time possibility for the first time.

I’m not saying that none of the above technologies become commercial successes, but it didn’t happen overnight. Hardware T&L didn’t have overnight widespread adoption, neither did programmable shaders. Hell, even Glide didn’t have overnight success. They all took time to get to where they are (or were). I’m really not understanding why NVIDIA is taking such a bashing for RTX. There would always have to be a “first” graphics card to do something. You cannot blame the hardware for the software taking time to catch up, which is the exact situation we have today. NVIDIA has provided the hardware, and now it’s time for the software to catch up.

Without accounting for the programmable shaders, the GeForce 3 didn’t offer a massive performance increase over the GeForce 2. Without hardware T&L the GeForce 256 didn’t offer truly out of this world performance over the TNT 2 Ultra and others rival cards. Without Glide, the Voodoo didn’t offer much at all over software rendering. Once the technologies were adopted my software the advances became apparent, but without the software being available to take advantage of the hardware offered there was little to the hardware.

I’m not sure what you mean by they fooled all of us. NVIDIA never promised X performance increase over Generation Y by using current generation methods, because that’s not what RTX was meant to be. Sure, plenty of sites offered rumours of such improvements but you cannot hold NVIDIA accountable for unfounded rumours.

What would you have preferred from the RTX? NVIDIA could have taken the GTX 1080 Ti, given it a die shrink, increased the shader count by 50% and called it the RTX, but where is the advanced technological revolutionary change in that? Where do we need that increase? If we already have the power to push 1440p at 144Hz, what would have been a better advancement? Pushing 200 FPS or 240 FPS? What would that achieve? Let’s scale it up tenfold and ask if you’d appreciate an increase from 1400 FPS to 2000 FPS. Would that be a massive advancement?

We’re already at the threshold of the human eye, so what we need is a massive increase in image quality without tanking the frame rate to single digits, or even fractions of a frame per second. What last generation took four multi thousand Dollar workstation series GPUs to attain 15-30 FPS is now achievable on a single consumer graphics card.

Sure, the RTX cards are expensive, but that’s to be expected from such a revolutionary development. If you can’t afford it now, wait a few generations until it becomes mainstream, just as has happened with every prior revolutionary development. Most probably wouldn’t consider buying a car today without ABS. The first car to introduce all wheel ABS, the Mercedes W116, cost over $ 30,000 back in 1978, which is around $ 120,000 today. Today we don’t need to spent upwards of R 2,000,000 to get ABS - it’s on almost every entry level car costing about 5% of that amount. Time brings down the price of technological advancements and this will be no different. Every “first” comes in at a higher price than its price a little way down the line.

Appreciate the RTX for what it is. It didn’t set out to give us arbitrarily high frame rates using, frankly, archaic render methods. It set out to change the game completely and that is exactly what it is doing - we just need to wait for the software to catch up. Once it does we will look back at traditional render methods with a nostalgic tear and thank NVIDIA for moving us past the days of yore.

 

[ekske1]

Someone gets it.

 

[Theweasel]

Yes! Guys like you [and me] that seems to work and pay for our parts we like to have. How dare we.

Cause you working and earn money you think you are the top dog??

How ignorant of you.

 

[genetic]

Cause you working and earn money you think you are the top dog??

How ignorant of you.

How old are you?

 

[Theweasel]

That’s an extremely ignorant opinion. These cards are the most revolutionary in years - much more than a decade in fact. More so than the introduction of unified shaders with the GeForce 8000 series. More so than the introduction of programmable pixel and vertex shaders with the GeForce 3. About on par with hardware T&L introduced with the GeForce 256 in fact - hell, maybe even more revolutionary than that. For the first time we are looking at image generation differently. We’re looking at AI for denoising. We’re looking at photon mapping being a real-time possibility for the first time.

I’m not saying that none of the above technologies become commercial successes, but it didn’t happen overnight. Hardware T&L didn’t have overnight widespread adoption, neither did programmable shaders. Hell, even Glide didn’t have overnight success. They all took time to get to where they are (or were). I’m really not understanding why NVIDIA is taking such a bashing for RTX. There would always have to be a “first” graphics card to do something. You cannot blame the hardware for the software taking time to catch up, which is the exact situation we have today. NVIDIA has provided the hardware, and now it’s time for the software to catch up.

Without accounting for the programmable shaders, the GeForce 3 didn’t offer a massive performance increase over the GeForce 2. Without hardware T&L the GeForce 256 didn’t offer truly out of this world performance over the TNT 2 Ultra and others rival cards. Without Glide, the Voodoo didn’t offer much at all over software rendering. Once the technologies were adopted my software the advances became apparent, but without the software being available to take advantage of the hardware offered there was little to the hardware.

I’m not sure what you mean by they fooled all of us. NVIDIA never promised X performance increase over Generation Y by using current generation methods, because that’s not what RTX was meant to be. Sure, plenty of sites offered rumours of such improvements but you cannot hold NVIDIA accountable for unfounded rumours.

What would you have preferred from the RTX? NVIDIA could have taken the GTX 1080 Ti, given it a die shrink, increased the shader count by 50% and called it the RTX, but where is the advanced technological revolutionary change in that? Where do we need that increase? If we already have the power to push 1440p at 144Hz, what would have been a better advancement? Pushing 200 FPS or 240 FPS? What would that achieve? Let’s scale it up tenfold and ask if you’d appreciate an increase from 1400 FPS to 2000 FPS. Would that be a massive advancement?

We’re already at the threshold of the human eye, so what we need is a massive increase in image quality without tanking the frame rate to single digits, or even fractions of a frame per second. What last generation took four multi thousand Dollar workstation series GPUs to attain 15-30 FPS is now achievable on a single consumer graphics card.

Sure, the RTX cards are expensive, but that’s to be expected from such a revolutionary development. If you can’t afford it now, wait a few generations until it becomes mainstream, just as has happened with every prior revolutionary development. Most probably wouldn’t consider buying a car today without ABS. The first car to introduce all wheel ABS, the Mercedes W116, cost over $ 30,000 back in 1978, which is around $ 120,000 today. Today we don’t need to spent upwards of R 2,000,000 to get ABS - it’s on almost every entry level car costing about 5% of that amount. Time brings down the price of technological advancements and this will be no different. Every “first” comes in at a higher price than its price a little way down the line.

Appreciate the RTX for what it is. It didn’t set out to give us arbitrarily high frame rates using, frankly, archaic render methods. It set out to change the game completely and that is exactly what it is doing - we just need to wait for the software to catch up. Once it does we will look back at traditional render methods with a nostalgic tear and thank NVIDIA for moving us past the days of yore.

Yeah,Yeah,Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.Revolutionary....

Rtx is a scam,Almost every new series had an Perfomance boost of 50%+.Now,its a mere 20-30% of u pay 15k+ to get it?How stupid can I go.


I won't buy Nvidia anymore.They don't care about casual gamers.They love u big spending guys.

Guys like you are the reason gaming won't be Affordable anymore and that you willing to drop every penny for a small improvement shows how delusional you guys have become.

I'm gonna jump ship to AMD,Never thought a day would come where I would say this but it has come.

 

[Sinbad]

Yeah,Yeah,Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.Revolutionary....

Rtx is a scam,Almost every new series had an Perfomance boost of 50%+.Now,its a mere 20-30% of u pay 15k+ to get it?How stupid can I go.


I won't buy Nvidia anymore.They don't care about casual gamers.They love u big spending guys.

Guys like you are the reason gaming won't be Affordable anymore and that you willing to drop every penny for a small improvement shows how delusional you guys have become.

I'm gonna jump ship to AMD,Never thought a day would come where I would say this but it has come.

Reading is hard, yo

 

[Theweasel]

Reading is hard, yo

If u had a brain,U would understand what I'm saying,Sinbad.

 

[Neoprod]

Someone in this thread is hella entitled.

 

[theratman]

If u had a brain,U would understand what I'm saying,Sinbad.

You don't need to resort to insults, I mostly agree with what you said about the Rtx. It's mybb, you need to have a thick skin.

 

[Theweasel]

You don't need to resort to insults, I mostly agree with what you said about the Rtx. It's mybb, you need to have a thick skin.

My bad.I apologize.

It's just People don't understand what is going on.I tell all my friends not to buy this card at all and they don't listen

 

[Sinbad]

My bad.I apologize.

It's just People don't understand what is going on.I tell all my friends not to buy this card at all and they don't listen

If your friends can afford it, good for them. It's their choice.

 

[Theweasel]

How old are you?

I'm 20 mi guy.

 

[theratman]

My bad.I apologize.

It's just People don't understand what is going on.I tell all my friends not to buy this card at all and they don't listen

They'll buy it because it's Nvidia and they have money. Friends with 1080s want the new cards, same as people who want the latest iPhone.

Unfortunately it seems like a complete cash grab but it is taking the technology forward, albeit at a seemingly slower rate.

I've just moved from ATI to Nvidia, personally I go for the best bang for my buck and not the latest and greatest.

 

[Theweasel]

They'll buy it because it's Nvidia and they have money. Friends with 1080s want the new cards, same as people who want the latest iPhone.

Unfortunately it seems like a complete cash grab but it is taking the technology forward, albeit at a seemingly slower rate.

I've just moved from ATI to Nvidia, personally I go for the best bang for my buck and not the latest and greatest.

Do what you do.

I'm hoping AMD gives us something better than those Overpriced Scam