RTX 2080 Founders Edition Review

[Progenix Oj101]

With tomb raider,they got 30-35 fps.

Ray tracing is useless at this point,Maybe the next cards released next year will do much better and I will gladly buy it from AMD with Navi 7nm.

Waiting for that beast to come

And what did a GeForce GTX 1080 Ti get with RTRT in Tomb Raider? Zero FPS, as it doesn't support it. That's an increase of ∞ %.

Furthermore, you're judging a technology on a single, unoptimized game. If you think it's fully optimized, there's a reason the option isn't available in the public release of the game. Hell, the devs even said so themselves:

"The Nvidia Ray Tracing technology currently being shown in Shadow of the Tomb Raider is an early work in progress version. As a result, different areas of the game have received different levels of polish while we work toward complete implementation of this new technology."

Once again, however, I'm waiting for you to back up your "scam" claim. Until you can factually reinforce your claims you're an empty barrel making a lot of noise.

 

[genetic]

Once again, however, I'm waiting for you to back up your "scam" claim. Until you can factually reinforce your claims you're an empty barrel making a lot of noise.

He can't

The RTX series of cards is probably the single biggest update between generations than any other card in recent history. As games become more optimised for ray tracing and make use of deep learning, the performance will only get better.

 

[Theweasel]

And what did a GeForce GTX 1080 Ti get with RTRT in Tomb Raider? Zero FPS, as it doesn't support it. That's an increase of ∞ %.

Furthermore, you're judging a technology on a single, unoptimized game. If you think it's fully optimized, there's a reason the option isn't available in the public release of the game. Hell, the devs even said so themselves:

"The Nvidia Ray Tracing technology currently being shown in Shadow of the Tomb Raider is an early work in progress version. As a result, different areas of the game have received different levels of polish while we work toward complete implementation of this new technology."

Once again, however, I'm waiting for you to back up your "scam" claim. Until you can factually reinforce your claims you're an empty barrel making a lot of noise.

Raytracing is useless at this point

 

[Theweasel]

He can't

The RTX series of cards is probably the single biggest update between generations than any other card in recent history. As games become more optimised for ray tracing and make use of deep learning, the performance will only get better.

Hah,look whose taking

 

[genetic]

Raytracing is useless at this point

It won't be in a few months time. Then your 1080ti will be useless, because it can't do ray tracing.

 

[genetic]

Hah,look whose taking

Arguing with a 20 year old is like arguing with a child.

Maybe in a few years' time you would have learnt a bit more, and would have more of an argument to put on the table.

 

[Progenix Oj101]

He can't

The RTX series of cards is probably the single biggest update between generations than any other card in recent history. As games become more optimised for ray tracing and make use of deep learning, the performance will only get better.

You're 100% correct, but until he admits that he might be mistaken we can't correct him on his path /shrug

Raytracing is useless at this point

Based on what? You can make any statement you like, provided you can back it up. We get it, you want to see your frame rate reported as 999 FPS, but what actual use does that have?

Furthermore, your reply leaves the possibility that it will become completely relevant and mainstream in the future. How will it ever get there if it doesn't start somewhere?

I'm still waiting for you to validate your "scam" claim.

 

[Sinbad]

fok I remember rendering scenes with POVRAY. 8 hours for a static image.

 

[ekske1]

fok I remember rendering scenes with POVRAY. 8 hours for a static image.

ahaha. I had a lot fun with PovRay back in the day

 

[OrbitalDawn]

What should also be kept in mind is what people are upgrading to the 2080 from. Same as with CPUs, many of the discussions will be framed in the context of people who already have the top-end, and whether or not it's worth upgrading from that. So if you've already got a 1080 Ti, is it worth getting a 2080? Maybe, if you've got plenty of $ and want ray tracing. Otherwise maybe not.

But I'll be upgrading from a GTX 970, so the leap is quite a bit more for me. And if I'm aiming top-end, why would I not get the 2080? The 1080 Ti would deliver relatively similar performance for a while, but I'm not buying a new card again in a long time, so what will serve me best in 3-5 years' time?

 

[ponder]

The 1080 Ti would deliver relatively similar performance for a while, but I'm not buying a new card again in a long time, so what will serve me best in 3-5 years' time?

Reality is that there will be a new gpu series out in 12-18 months after the 20x0 series. During this time there wont be many RTX titles and those that are released why bother because your fps will be worse than the non-RTX version running on 10x0 series gpus? The 30x0 series once released will probably get over these hurdles. imho rather buy a used 1080ti off carbonite for much cheaper and then upgrade two years down the line, $/performance wise this makes way more sense to me.

 

[Theweasel]

You're 100% correct, but until he admits that he might be mistaken we can't correct him on his path /shrug



Based on what? You can make any statement you like, provided you can back it up. We get it, you want to see your frame rate reported as 999 FPS, but what actual use does that have?

Furthermore, your reply leaves the possibility that it will become completely relevant and mainstream in the future. How will it ever get there if it doesn't start somewhere?

I'm still waiting for you to validate your "scam" claim.

I'm not against Ray Tracing.

They introduced the card too early and it costs a lotta money.

No Average gamer can afford that.

 

[Theweasel]

He can't

The RTX series of cards is probably the single biggest update between generations than any other card in recent history. As games become more optimised for ray tracing and make use of deep learning, the performance will only get better.

I was studying, Didn't respond early

 

[Johnatan56]

Reality is that there will be a new gpu series out in 12-18 months after the 20x0 series. During this time there wont be many RTX titles and those that are released why bother because your fps will be worse than the non-RTX version running on 10x0 series gpus? The 30x0 series once released will probably get over these hurdles. imho rather buy a used 1080ti off carbonite for much cheaper and then upgrade two years down the line, $/performance wise this makes way more sense to me.

+1

And what did a GeForce GTX 1080 Ti get with RTRT in Tomb Raider? Zero FPS, as it doesn't support it. That's an increase of ∞ %.

Not reading further back, so unsure of what you're commenting from, but it can have infinite more fps, but if those frame rates are unplayable, then it's not worth it anyways.
I'd still take a 1080 Ti over a 2080, but I am definitely not in that market as I am still gaming at 1080p and maxing it all out with a GTX 1060 and my other R9 280X also near maxes out most (only exception I can think of is SoW where it couldn't due to memory, think I played on high instead).

 

[Theweasel]

Arguing with a 20 year old is like arguing with a child.

Maybe in a few years' time you would have learnt a bit more, and would have more of an argument to put on the table.

Watch out,grandpa.

I do research, Unlike you,Who buys anything without a Brain

 

[Scary_Turtle]

I understand the argument for the new RTX cards but I pretty much disagree.

Games are going to take 2-4 years to be developed with ray tracing (minus like 5-20 that are coming in 2019). Games developed with ray tracing are going to be more expensive, we don't know by how much that is yet to be seen. Indie game devs aren't going to have the cash/skills to develop with ray tracing for 4-6 years.

Nvidia guaranteed will launch a new card in 2019, 2020, 2021 that will be vastly superior to what the RTX cards are now.

Basically buying one of these cards now is expensive (R7000 more expensive then the 1080ti) and by the time you can use ray tracing your card will be 1-2 gens old and won't be able to keep up with the ray tracing demands so its pretty much a money sink for something that is obsolete (even though its the best card ever).

c'mon Nvidia could drop the price of their cards by 25% (probably more) and still make massive profits. This just doesn't sit right with me but they have no competition at the moment and they are one of the most successful business in the world so what can the consumer do other then pay I guess.

On the topic of AMD vs Nvidia all AMD has to do is make a 1080ti equivalent for R9000-R14000 and they are set for the next 2-3 years. Can they do this who knows.

On the ray tracing side Ive only watched a few vids and don't understand it all what I understand is RT is 1 ray that brings in a light source and makes things pretty with a fancy denoiser. What they overcome with the denoiser is doing what a CPU in 10-20 years time will be able to do which is pretty cool but its still only 1 ray. This part is a bit confusing to me and I'm probably way off here.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Reality is that there will be a new gpu series out in 12-18 months after the 20x0 series. During this time there wont be many RTX titles and those that are released why bother because your fps will be worse than the non-RTX version running on 10x0 series gpus? The 30x0 series once released will probably get over these hurdles. imho rather buy a used 1080ti off carbonite for much cheaper and then upgrade two years down the line, $/performance wise this makes way more sense to me.

That's true, and I did consider that. Struggling to find one that wasn't used for mining, or that isn't only fractionally cheaper than a new 2080, though.

Tricky timing, but it is what it is, give how new models will keep coming out.

 

[Johnatan56]

I understand the argument for the new RTX cards but I pretty much disagree.

Games are going to take 2-4 years to be developed with ray tracing (minus like 5-20 that are coming in 2019). Games developed with ray tracing are going to be more expensive, we don't know by how much that is yet to be seen. Indie game devs aren't going to have the cash/skills to develop with ray tracing for 4-6 years.

Nvidia guaranteed will launch a new card in 2019, 2020, 2021 that will be vastly superior to what the RTX cards are now.

Basically buying one of these cards now is expensive (R7000 more expensive then the 1080ti) and by the time you can use ray tracing your card will be 1-2 gens old and won't be able to keep up with the ray tracing demands so its pretty much a money sink for something that is obsolete (even though its the best card ever).

c'mon Nvidia could drop the price of their cards by 25% (probably more) and still make massive profits. This just doesn't sit right with me but they have no competition at the moment and they are one of the most successful business in the world so what can the consumer do other then pay I guess.

On the topic of AMD vs Nvidia all AMD has to do is make a 1080ti equivalent for R9000-R14000 and they are set for the next 2-3 years. Can they do this who knows.

On the ray tracing side Ive only watched a few vids to try and don't understand it all what I understand is RT is 1 ray that brings in a light source and make things pretty with a fancy denoiser. What they overcome with the denoiser is doing what a CPU in 10-20 years time will be able to do which is pretty cool but its still only 1 ray. This part is a bit confusing to me and I'm probably way off here.

If you can understand the awesome Scottish accent.

 

[Neoprod]

That's true, and I did consider that. Struggling to find one that wasn't used for mining, or that isn't only fractionally cheaper than a new 2080, though.

Tricky timing, but it is what it is, give how new models will keep coming out.

Nvidia's stopped production of the 1080 Ti so the scarcity is only going to get worse. Also people have been buying them a lot because pretty much every hardware reviewer (Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed etc.) recommended buying Pascal over Turing for the games people are playing now and in the next year or two. That scarcity is probably going to extend to the rest of the Pascal cards soon-ish - rumours are the new 1060 uses the same die that would have been high-end Pascal.

This situation is pretty normal for something as revolutionary as ray-tracing is - until the technology reaches a price point that the majority of the market is willing to pay for, developing games for it is going to be risky. The top-selling discrete graphics cards are the 1060-1050 series - that kind of price point is where ray-tracing on the GPU becomes mainstream.

 

[stefan9]

I am currently contemplating whether I should upgrade from my 1080gtx. The price is very off putting atm. 2070gtx isn't worth and the other two options is an enormous premium.