SA arms flow to Zimbabwe

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http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-06-27-sa-arms-flow-to-zimbabwe

South Africa has been supplying Zimbabwe with weapons of war, including helicopters, revolvers and cartridges -- despite the mounting human rights atrocities in that country.

The sales, some involving state arms company Armscor, have been quietly taking place for some years. When a Chinese freighter recently carried weapons destined for the Zimbabwean military and tried to dock in Durban, there was an international outcry.

Information at the Mail & Guardian’s disposal points to a cosy relationship between the defence forces of both countries, as well as government-to-government arms transfers. This appears to conflict with President Thabo Mbeki’s mediation role between the ruling Zanu-PF and the opposition MDC, which demands neutrality.

The M&G can also reveal that private South African companies have sold arms to Zimbabwe and that these transfers must have been approved by government’s National Conventional Arms Control Committee (NCACC).

The committee is chaired by Minister of Provincial and Local Government Sydney Mufamadi *-- who also happens to be Mbeki’s envoy in the Zimbabwean negotiations.

Mbeki has been mediating between the Zimbabwean parties since 2001 in an attempt to break the cycle of stolen elections and mounting violence.

Repression by the Zimbabwean state and its agents has seen tens of thousands ofZimbabweans harassed and displaced and scores killed.

The M&G can reveal that in recent years:

* Armaments to the value of $237 401 (R3,3-million) were privately transferred from South Africa to Zimbabwe, according to 2004 and 2005 figures.

* The South African defence department donated Dakota aircraft engines worth millions to Zimbabwe, while Armscor transferred spares to get Zimbabwean military choppers flying again.

* Zimbabwean soldiers and flying instructors have been trained by the South African Defence Force and the South African Air Force.

* Armscor was contracted to transport the weaponry destined for Zimbabwe and carried by the An Yue Jiang from the Durban port to Harare. The deal fell through when a court order stopped the ship from offloading and it sailed away.

The arms transfers to Zimbabwe are reflected in official trade records between 2004 and 2005.
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-why put and end or take action when you can benefit from a given situation :sick:
 
In case anyone had any doubt that Mbeki supported Mugabe's actions here's your evidence.
 
WOW, in one article SA will now be listed as in Support of the Mugabe regime :mad:

Great just fk'ng great, thank you, You useless man. Mbeki may you be the first person to die as a result of this. Brilliant, just fk'ng Brilliant.
 
Armaments to the value of $237 401 (R3,3-million) were privately transferred from South Africa to Zimbabwe, according to 2004 and 2005 figures.
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2 jeeps?
 
No wonder we've 'done' nothing about Zimbabwe because we HAVE been doing something... something that will probably help in getting the 2010 taken away from us.

Stupid idiots! SSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTUPID!
 
bring on zuma already!!!!!!!!!!!

did you read what he said in the citizen, maybe someone can scan that for us and post it here if they still have the article
 
sandmanm34 said:
Calm down!!! It's nothing more than sensationalistic reporting...
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The trade records show that in 2004 South Africa exported about 2,6 tonnes of revolvers and/or pistols, another 2,5 tonnes of other firearms, between four and 7,5 tonnes of cartridges and what appear to be parts for military vehicles.
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Yes I'm sure thats quite acceptable trade for a neutral mediator to ship to a dictator with a history of human rights abuses. Oh well no crisis here.....
 
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I sometimes wonder which flow is the greatest: the flow of illegal immigrants from Zim into SA or the flow of weapons from SA to Zim!
 
Guys if you only realised that the ANC(Yes, that includes Zuma, he likes to prosmise differant folks differant things) support Mugabe and Zunu 100% then you need to get out more.

The ANC is watching the situation very,very closely. They're taking notes on what works and what should be handled differantly for when they eventually pull this stunt.
Most ANC supports agree with Mugabe's ideas. Almost to the dot.

They're all for democracy, until there's a chance they can lose. ;)
 
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Denel/Arsmcor have been supplying Zim/Rhodesia with arms for the last 40 years, Why is everyone so surprised/shocked? It's business...
 
Oh well not much to say except. #$#$%#$#
 
sandmanm34 said:
Calm down!!! It's nothing more than sensationalistic reporting...
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Yes ppl come on. The is totally sensationalistic bollocks reporting!!
Ofcause Zim bought arms vehicles enjins etc from SA companies so did Botswana so did namibia so did many countries. Its a product sold by a company.

No SA wont fund a war but Zim is part of the southern african countries that we work together with. Zim is acting up now but we've been helping them make things better in the past we sold them FOOD, POWER any other products. So what the hell are they going on about?

EDIT: And the Goverment didnt sell them things PRIVATE companies did! Are they not allowed to sell where they please?
 
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