SA Politics Thread Part 11: The GNU Normal

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Agent69 said:
Geordin also clearly makes the distinction between them and "ordinary family households" which are most likely the middle/working class.
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How and where is this distinction made, quantified? I would like to see the numbers. And then of course, same as with bracket-creep, this will start creeping. That is a discussion for another day, but I would love to see the numbers.

Agent69 said:
I believe in progressive taxation. If you're a billionaire/upper-class-man, you should pay your fair proportion of taxes, etc, just like everyone else has to.
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Sure, and then taking into account that SA is already highly progressive, homeowners are now getting triple-whammied, and beyond. It is not sustainable. Those who earn more, are paying more than half their salaries to taxes, once you add up PIT and then all other consumption taxes. It's actually far beyond half of total income. Let that sink in.

Agent69 said:
It doesn't make sense to me that a billionaire has to pay the same as a middle-class man or a working-class person, while those same rates hit the latter two groups a lot harder than that same rate hits the former...
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Then we should stop pretending, and just classify everyone according to their IRP5, and a billionaire should pay R10 000 for a loaf of bread. I recall a scandinavian country that actually does this, where their speeding fines are calculated as a percentage of income. Sure, let's do that then, but stop pretending and being selective about where this should apply. Because why should a billionaire only pay R1000 to have his car licenced every year, when he can afford R80 000 for the year? Why not?
 
Bewlen said:
Then we should stop pretending, and just classify everyone according to their IRP5, and a billionaire should pay R10 000 for a loaf of bread. I recall a scandinavian country that actually does this, where their speeding fines are calculated as a percentage of income. Sure, let's do that then, but stop pretending and being selective about where this should apply. Because why should a billionaire only pay R1000 to have his car licenced every year, when he can afford R80 000 for the year? Why not?
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Because rates and taxes are exactly the same as buying something or paying for a service...

GG WP
 
R13... said:
I wonder how they're firing people on lifestyle audits. Seems a little flimsy when they routinely let people get away with worse. And those who fail lifestyle audits must surely at least have a date with SARS, SIU and AFU.
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Can we put some meat on it for once? Who got away with what?

As for firing people on lifestyle audits, I am sure there is more to it than that, those who were fired probably declared one thing and a lifestyle audit found something totally different, nothing flimsy about it.

And the lifestyle audits were conducted by the SIU.
 
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TheChamp said:
Can we put some meat on it for once? Who got away with what?

As for firing people on lifestyle audits, I am sure there is more to it than that, those who were fired probably declared one thing and a lifestyle audit found something totally different, nothing flimsy about it.
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Zandile Gumede loves her new desk by the way.
 
Agent69 said:
No, but it isn't your usual tax either... Legal obligation.
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Sure, but the same principals apply. It's not as simple as "make the rich pay because they have money" when the opposing arguments actually contain merit.
 
Agent69 said:
I believe in progressive taxation. If you're a billionaire/upper-class-man, you should pay your fair proportion of taxes, etc, just like everyone else has to.
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Are you saying that if a billionaire buys a house in a residential development of many of the same style houses, and rents it out, he should pay more in rates and taxes because he has more money?

If so, should all rates and taxes be based on the worth of the owner instead of property value?

How about the annual cost of a car licence?
 
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