SA Politics Thread Part 11: The GNU Normal

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TheChamp said:
Have you ever heard of people who get sick every time their disciplinary hearing must sit?
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Nope, a disciplinary hearing would take place regardless. This must be a thing from ANC circles.
 
Unhappy1 said:
Nope, a disciplinary hearing would take place regardless. This must be a thing from ANC circles.
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No, that is a lie. An accused person will be given reasonable time to be part of the hearing before a decision is made to proceed without them. Of course you can be a domkop and proceed without them, then you can come to MyBb and moan how labour laws make it hard for you to fire people.

There is a good reason for that, the DC cannot assume the person is gaming the system and they must have reasonable evidence of such or prove they have given them an adequate chance. That's what is happening with Nkabane.

People look for these loopholes to exploit and they are exploitable, they buy themselves time and within that time a lot can happen, witnesses can also get sick, the chair of the DC can get sick or in worst case scenario people die, even more time to cook up something. There are a lot of people who were beneficiaries of these series of unfortunate events during Covid.
 
Hazy_Living@79 said:
We can't take you seriously anymore. Your little credibility is shot. You were proved to be a liar today already.

Please revert back to posting about DA BAD and Action SA's work in Tshwane, that is something we can engage on.
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We this, we that, didn't I just tell you I don't care what a gang of random right wingers think of me, or was it another one? You lot look the same.
 
TheChamp said:
We this, we that, didn't I just tell you I don't care what a gang of random right wingers think of me, or was it another one? You lot look the same.
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Hey wena, focus. "DA BAD, ActionSA good". Then we can engage. Getting all upset because you were proved to be a liar.
 
TheChamp said:
No, that is a lie. An accused person will be given reasonable time to be part of the hearing before a decision is made to proceed without them. Of course you can be a domkop and proceed without them, then you can come to MyBb and moan how labour laws make it hard for you to fire people.

There is a good reason for that, the DC cannot assume the person is gaming the system and they must have reasonable evidence of such or prove they have given them an adequate chance. That's what is happening with Nkabane.

People look for these loopholes to exploit and they are exploitable, they buy themselves time and within that time a lot can happen, witnesses can also get sick, the chair of the DC can get sick or in worst case scenario people die, even more time to cook up something. There are a lot of people who were beneficiaries of these series of unfortunate events during Covid.
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You are talking rubbish again, your post said "people who get sick every time their disciplinary hearing must sit".

If they do it multiple times the hearing will proceed without them and it is fully within the bounds of labour laws.

Very often, a situation arises where employees (accused of misconduct) and after being issued with a notice to attend a formal disciplinary hearing on a specified date and time, then does not avail themselves at the enquiry. Many reasons furnished by the employees in cases like these, range from being medically unfit to attend the disciplinary hearing, not being fully prepared and/or that the representative is not available.


Chairpersons of the disciplinary hearings are required to take control and handle these types of situations as preliminary issues and/or preliminary points. Chairpersons may be lenient with applications for first postponement, however, in the event where such applications are made deliberately with an intention (directly or indirectly) to delay and/or frustrate the proceedings, then a chairperson should adopt a rigid and strict approach in those circumstances.
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The article continues to cite six different examples in a court.
 
TheChamp said:
No, that is a lie. An accused person will be given reasonable time to be part of the hearing before a decision is made to proceed without them. Of course you can be a domkop and proceed without them, then you can come to MyBb and moan how labour laws make it hard for you to fire people.

There is a good reason for that, the DC cannot assume the person is gaming the system and they must have reasonable evidence of such or prove they have given them an adequate chance. That's what is happening with Nkabane.

People look for these loopholes to exploit and they are exploitable, they buy themselves time and within that time a lot can happen, witnesses can also get sick, the chair of the DC can get sick or in worst case scenario people die, even more time to cook up something. There are a lot of people who were beneficiaries of these series of unfortunate events during Covid.
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I could be wrong but employee has to apply for postponement of hearing and the request may be denied.

Having said that, one could probably get Zuma's doctor to give teminal illness certificate 1 minute before hearing and all will be dandy for that day.
 
TheChamp said:
We this, we that, didn't I just tell you I don't care what a gang of random right wingers think of me, or was it another one? You lot look the same.
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You lot this, you lot that, we already told you, your credibility is nonexistent. Go find some SAA profit first, and then report back to uGogo Helen for your schooling.
 
Bewlen said:
You lot this, you lot that, we already told you, your credibility is nonexistent. Go find some SAA profit first, and then report back to uGogo Helen for your schooling.
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Oooo I likes that.

JHB under Helen must create a Zille Re-Education Camp to teach our wayward comrades about reality.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
I could be wrong but employee has to apply for postponement of hearing and the request may be denied.

Having said that, one could probably get Zuma's doctor to give teminal illness certificate 1 minute before hearing and all will be dandy for that day.
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They just have to present a valid Dr's note, it's up to the employer to build a case that the accused employee is dodging the hearing and decide to proceed, if the reason for proceeding without the employee is not sound enough, that case is weak.
 
Vrotappel said:
People chanting for it with permission from the constitutional court and SAHRC.
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That wasn't the question. But fine. Seems like the verkramptes in the FF+ wanted farm murder to be classified as it's own crime, separate from murder, with the hope that it would receive higher priority than other murders.

It's like classifying male-on-male rape different to male-on-female rape. Truly bizarre...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
That wasn't the question. But fine. Seems like the verkramptes in the FF+ wanted farm murder to be classified as it's own crime, separate from murder, with the hope that it would receive higher priority than other murders.

It's like classifying male-on-male rape different to male-on-female rape. Truly bizarre...
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What is truly bizarre is your critical thinking around this.

Name me any category of crime where political leaders fill stadiums with people singing songs for it.
 
TheChamp said:
They just have to present a valid Dr's note, it's up to the employer to build a case that the accused employee is dodging the hearing and decide to proceed, if the reason for proceeding without the employee is not sound enough, that case is weak.
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Lol wrong again. Its not up to the employer at all, its up to the employee. A simple doctors note is hearsay and whilst a chairperson may grant them leniency the first time, if they are doing it every time as you suggested the hearing will simply continue with a competent chairperson.

This goes back to my first post on the matter, clearly ANC circles where competency left the building, long long ago.
 
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