SA Politics Thread Part 11: The GNU Normal

[Agent67]

Perhaps. I think it’s not needed though; if they carry on like this they’ll never attract talent and young people to join them. People don’t like working for dictators.

This country has some weird dynamics in that regard though.. Jacob is a prime example.

Not so much dictators but strongmen...

That's why you see new fiefdoms pop up every election cycle.

 

[Agent67]

It's not like their race views were different during apartheid.

Did you interview them all, or are you just generalising?

The above is a BS excuse racists like to make.

Don't crucify me for this. It's a common phrase used in the Coloured community.

Have you questioned why they might feel that way? Many of the other minorities (referring to Coloured and Indian people now) do feel shunted aside. Why?

Because, despite promises, despite uniting with the ANC and the rest of the Black community to end the Apartheid regime, when push comes to shove, and they don't agree with the general ANC/RET marching orders, they get shunted aside and called "deputy whites", "sellouts", etc, etc.

Despite being included as "Black" according to legislation, they are also pushed aside. Read this:

Being a coloured woman in South Africa in 2025

Real transformation is not the same as ticking boxes on an employment equity form.

thestar.co.za

 

[Agent67]

Same **** different period. When will South Africa stop with this racism kak?

The only time it will stop again is if a party or a coalition led by a party that truly applies and believes in non-racialism comes to power.

SA government history distilled from 1948 onwards:

1948 - 1993: White nationalism, Apartheid
1994 - 2007: Short non-racial period, new democracy
2008 - now: Black nationalism-lite, almost destroyed democracy

 

[Agent67]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1954247003065704557

Doubling down. I truly hope Dean takes him to court, I want to see him stroke out and rage in court.

 

[dualmeister]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1954060678840692784

 

[MalcomZ]

They aren't. Those days are long gone

Sa is just a cesspit now

Yes, that's why the president had to call the leader of Russia just this past week to assure him SA is still friends with Russia after the ship incident in the Western Cape that loves America and the West.

Like I keep saying, delusions.

South Africa is the prize. You and your kind only think of it as a dump when it changes alliances from West to East as we're seeing now after the West dominated the way of life for decades in SA. It's basically like the asking a girl out scenario, where if she says no rejecting you, she's now all of a sudden ugly.

 

[MalcomZ]

Wenzeni uDA? What must they do about him? ANC lives and leads mos, and everything is Ramaphosa's prerogative, so...

The DA's silence regarding this is deafening...

 

[MalcomZ]

"Non-racialism is a defining and founding value of ActionSA"

The same ActionSA whose members and paramount leader constantly rant about racist whites on social media?

FTFY.

 

[MalcomZ]

They aren't "fighting" whatever that means...

It's just cock-fighting to see who can control a core trade route and can influence Africa's most industrialised economy. It doesn't mean that SA and the government itself have much sway.

Hope this helps.

Pretty South Africa is rejecting the West and now all of a sudden she's "ugly and irrelevant".

 

[MalcomZ]

Thabo Mbeki never liked Cyril. He just campaigned for the the ANC pre 2024 elections because the ANC was in a dire situation.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1954375297174044797

 

[MalcomZ]

The GNU with the DA in it is finished. It just needs to be made official.

The ANC is already negotiating with probably the EFF and the MK as they know working with the DA is going to be impossible.

The DA is stubborn still sitting like a duck in the GNU saying if the ANC wants them out, they'll have to kick them out.

Interesting times ahead.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1954377349224333735

 

[Next Thing]

Do they need to do that by law?

It is a logic game.
To be a party you need to run yourselves according to your constitution.
If you don't your party is not a party and as thus cannot be registered with the iec

 

[Next Thing]

The GNU with the DA in it is finished. It just needs to be made official.

The ANC is already negotiating with probably the EFF and the MK as they know working with the DA is going to be impossible.

The DA is stubborn still sitting like a duck in the GNU saying if the ANC wants them out, they'll have to kick them out.

Interesting times ahead.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1954377349224333735

Forgive me if I don't put much into your analysis..

Too many debacles come to mind

 

[MalcomZ]

Forgive me if I don't put much into your analysis..

Too many debacles come to mind

I don't take people who change with changing circumstances seriously.

The BELA actual debacle for you and the gang taught me everything about some of you.

The GNU with the DA in it won't see the end of the year. Crying about it here with your delusional gang won't change the fact that working with the DA is impossible.

 

[MalcomZ]

More tensions in the GNU loading.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1954159222007963917

 

[R13...]

The GNU with the DA in it is finished. It just needs to be made official.

The ANC is already negotiating with probably the EFF and the MK as they know working with the DA is going to be impossible.

The DA is stubborn still sitting like a duck in the GNU saying if the ANC wants them out, they'll have to kick them out.

Interesting times ahead.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1954377349224333735

Why would the anc let MK in when MK wants Ramaphosa as a price of admission. The EFF might be willing to join for cabinet positions and access to resources that would come with it. The ANC would overlook their corruption in return for votes and support.

Expanding the GNU is an ANC ploy to dilute everyone's power but their own. It's cynical of the ANC to want to rule without a majority by using parties who would let them have their way.

 

[MalcomZ]

Why would the anc let MK in when MK wants Ramaphosa as a price of admission. The EFF might be willing to join for cabinet positions and access to resources that would me with it. The ANC would overlook their corruption in return for votes and support.

Expanding the GNU is an ANC ploy to dilute everyone's power but their own. It's cynical of the ANC to want to rule without a majority by using parties who would let them have their way.

Your first observation is where things are really going to get tricky for South Africans. There is a clear well oiled plan to not only undermine Ramaphosa, but to remove him and the plan is run within the ANC with help from external forces. His removal immediately means MK can and will join government, the ANC is already negotiating with the MK in KZN to form a government there.

And mind you, these parties are from the ANC so it would be a minor reunion for them while it might be a shock for the public.

Given the intensified campaign against the Deputy President Paul Mashatile in the media recently, I'd say the forces against Ramaphosa in the ANC are really threatening him and him and his grouping are shaking.

The rest of the year is really really going to be interesting. And it doesn't help much that Cyril is about to lose one of his supporters in government Gayton McKenzie.

 

[MalcomZ]

There is more to this. The Thabo Mbeki Foundation will respond, even if not to me, but they'll issue a statement because something is not adding up here...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1954410072680935733

 

[MalcomZ]

Why would the anc let MK in when MK wants Ramaphosa as a price of admission. The EFF might be willing to join for cabinet positions and access to resources that would come with it. The ANC would overlook their corruption in return for votes and support.

Expanding the GNU is an ANC ploy to dilute everyone's power but their own. It's cynical of the ANC to want to rule without a majority by using parties who would let them have their way.

And the EFF and Malema didn't sing "kill the boer" during their yesterday's celebration of Women's Day. Something is definitely cooking and Malema will get something from the ANC for it.

 

[TheChamp]

Why would the anc let MK in when MK wants Ramaphosa as a price of admission. The EFF might be willing to join for cabinet positions and access to resources that would come with it. The ANC would overlook their corruption in return for votes and support.

Expanding the GNU is an ANC ploy to dilute everyone's power but their own. It's cynical of the ANC to want to rule without a majority by using parties who would let them have their way.

The EFF might still vote with the DA and oppose something while in the GNU, like they did with VAT.

But it will still be good to have them in to guard against the DA holding the ANC ransom on stuff that has to do with transformation and redress, because that threat is always there with the DA.