SA Politics Thread Part 11: The GNU Normal

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TheChamp said:
You sound unhappy, what would you do?
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Fired from cabinet with no pay until he's cleared by the parliamentary and criminal investigations, as well as the courts. Appoint an interim minister. If he's cleared, he resumes his position.

Years later, Zondo's findings are collecting dust on his table. Those implicated in the findings are in his cabinet. There's no reason to believe anything will come from this sham. It's just an illusion of anything being done, which is why literally everyone condescendingly predicted it.

The issue is Mkhwanazi claiming that judges have been captured, as they are supposed to be the final arbiters...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Fired from cabinet with no pay until he's cleared by the parliamentary and criminal investigations. Appoint an interim minister. If he's cleared, he resumes his position.

Years later, Zondo's findings are collecting dust on his table. Those implicated in the findings are in his cabinet. There's no reason to believe anything will come from this sham. It's just an illusion of anything being done, which is why literally everyone condescendingly predicted it...
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Implying that you think everything starts and ends with Mchunu and there is no need to investigate the corruption allegations further?
 
TheChamp said:
Implying that you think everything starts and ends with Mchunu and there is no need to investigate the corruption allegations further?
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I would welcome getting to the root of it.

The question is what's going to come from this commission, given the precedent set by the Zondo commission, which was also supposed to investigate corruption.

All these characters will still be free before, during and after this commission...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
I would welcome getting to the root of it.

The question is what's going to come from this commission, given the precedent set by the Zondo commission, which was also supposed to investigate corruption.

All these characters will still be free before, during and after this commission...
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What I see is that for some reason you think it's a tradeoff between a commission and firing Senzo.

Both can happen at the same time, clearly the allegations are too far reaching to just leave it to the police to investigate each other, you need something that is above them.

All the characters will be free? Which ones exactly? Mogotsi, Sibiya, Mchunu, Mkhwanazi?

And what do you suggest happens, throw them in jail while investigating?
 
TheChamp said:
www.news24.com

Western Cape govt splurges R5.8m a month for office rental | News24

The Western Cape government spends nearly R5.8 million every month on rented office space for the provincial education department.
www.news24.com www.news24.com
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Hmmm R5.8 million per month. Do they have any vacant buildings ?

I love how they use the word "splurges" but then only the words "faced criticism". Shows how biased that media outlet is ....

The Gauteng Provincial Government has faced criticism for spending R34 million per month on leased office space for its 11 head offices in Johannesburg, despite owning 41 vacant buildings across the province

Pretoria and JHB

But then again we all know how incompetent JHB and Pretoria are.
I have had a building I sold transferred in my name. The transfer was done over 2 months ago, but the deeds system is still showing on my name. New owner cannot get a new rates account setup or his new plans submitted. The process between transfer to having system showing new owners name is supposed to be 4 days
 
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Mike Hoxbig said:
Commission of enquiry loading, lmao. Clearly doesn't give two schits...

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A commission into the rot plaguing the SAPS is necessary as long as they dont order whitewash. The commissions into the PIC and SARS were quick and acted upon quickly. There more political the problem the more likely they order a white wash. Or just making some superficial changes to paper over the obvious rot like they did with intelligence.
 
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Major Boredom said:
Hmmm R5.8 million per month. Do they have any vacant buildings ?

I love how they use the word "splurges" but then only the words "faced criticism". Shows how biased that media outlet is ....

The Gauteng Provincial Government has faced criticism for spending R34 million per month on leased office space for its 11 head offices in Johannesburg, despite owning 41 vacant buildings across the province

Pretoria and JHB

But then again we all know how incompetent JHB and Pretoria are.
I have had a building I sold transferred in my name. The transfer was done over 2 months ago, but the deeds system is still showing on my name. New owner cannot get a new rates account setup or his new plans submitted. The process between transfer to having system showing new owners name is supposed to be 4 days
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understood why government needs to pay rent, they should own the building by now.
 
TheChamp said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1944298335839326394
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Lol, reassigning... Typical. Voluntary resignation... Won't happen.

Step-aside?

  • Lieutenant General Nhlanhla Mkhwanazi accused Mchunu of dissolving the task force investigating syndicates linked to political murders, raising allegations of corruption and political interference.
  • Ramaphosa is considering three actions: reassigning the minister, a voluntary resignation, or applying the ANC’s step-aside rule.
  • Parliament is set to probe the claims too as concerns of destabilisation within law enforcement grow.
President Cyril Ramaphosa is considering three actions for Minister of Police Senzo Mchunu: reassigning him, awaiting his voluntary resignation, or applying the ANC’s step-aside rule if he is officially under investigation.
Ramaphosa is expected to announce a commission of inquiry tonight to address allegations of corruption and political interference raised by Lieutenant General Nhlanhla Mkhwanazi, KwaZulu-Natal’s provincial police commissioner.
READ: UPDATE | Ramaphosa to address the nation on Sunday about Mkhwanazi’s explosive allegations
Sources within the ANC and government have revealed that as of Saturday afternoon, Ramaphosa had not decided the future of Mchunu. A final decision is likely to be made before the president’s address to the nation at 7pm on today.

This week, various organisations, including trade union federation Cosatu, the IFP (an ANC coalition partner in KwaZulu-Natal and national government), the SA Police Union and the SA Human Rights Commission, called on Ramaphosa to appoint a commission to investigate the matter.
READ: ‘Mkhwanazi is upset’: Unions call for urgent presidential intervention at SAPS
Reports suggest the president is considering three options for Mchunu:


Three options:
  • Reassign Mchunu to another portfolio during the commission of inquiry, similar to his December move involving Thembi Simelane after she was linked to the VBS Bank scandal.
  • Allow Mchunu to step down voluntarily, as former health minister Zweli Mkhize did in 2021 following the R150 million Digital Vibes contract scandal.
  • Wait for police confirmation that Mchunu is under official investigation, so he can step aside under the ANC’s policy.
If no action is taken against Mchunu on Sunday night, a decision could follow next weekend after the ANC’s national executive committee meeting.
Mkhwanazi accused Mchunu of political interference during an explosive media conference last weekend, alleging that the task force investigating political murders was disbanded after uncovering a syndicate allegedly linked to politicians, law enforcement, prosecutors and judges.
Further claims involved links between Mchunu and controversial businessman Vusumuzi “Cat” Matlala and North West politician Brown Mogotsi.
Matlala secured a R360 million police contract through his company, Medicare24 Tshwane, but failed to deliver services before the contract was terminated earlier this year.

He was arrested for the attempted murder of his ex-girlfriend.
Mogotsi, an ANC member who supported Ramaphosa’s 2017 leadership campaign, allegedly acted as an intermediary for Mchunu, according to Mkhwanazi.
Raids were carried out this past week at the Kgosi Mampuru Maximum Prison in Pretoria where Vusumuzi “Cat” Matlala was found with a cellphone.
Elizabeth Sejake / Rapport
Mkhwanazi presented evidence suggesting that Mogotsi informed Matlala in January via WhatsApp that the task force investigating him had been disbanded. Eight days later, Matlala reportedly transferred more than R100 000 to Mogotsi.
READ: Who is Brown Mogotsi? Five things you need to know about Mchunu’s alleged associate
Mchunu and Mogotsi have denied the allegations, although the minister acknowledged Mogotsi as a “comrade” despite previously telling Parliament that he did not know him.
Those contradictions, ANC sources suggest, could weaken Mchunu’s position.
Ramaphosa and Mchunu share a close relationship. Mchunu was Ramaphosa’s preferred candidate for ANC secretary-general in 2017 and played a significant role in improving the department of water and sanitation during Ramaphosa’s first term.

Alongside the commission of inquiry, likely to be led by a retired judge, Parliament is expected to deliberate on the matter in the coming week.
National Assembly Speaker Thoko Didiza has requested urgent investigations by the portfolio committees on police, justice and constitutional development, as well as the joint standing committee on intelligence.
Ian Cameron, chairperson of the police portfolio committee, has called for a joint parliamentary hearing to expedite uncovering the truth.

He expressed concerns over possible “coup-like” behaviour within the SA Police Service, referencing Mkhwanazi’s recent media presence flanked by armed task force members in camouflage and balaclavas as alarming.
“The senior police officers I’ve spoken to in recent days are genuinely anxious,” Cameron warned, adding that swift intervention was needed to address rising tensions within law enforcement ranks.
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I also have to lol at commission of inquiry... Zondo commission recommendations say hi
 
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