SA Politics Thread Part 11: The GNU Normal

[TheChamp]

Which commission set up to investigate ANC corruption and malfeasance has been acted on swiftly because that was the first claim made that needs backing up.

Take it up with the person who made the claim.

 

[TheChamp]

It is indeed the mother who is a suspect. I wonder what happened, disciplining a naughty child gone wrong?

Jayden-Lee Meek's mother accused of son's murder

Jayden-Lee Meek's mother has been accused of the murder of her son.

www.enca.com

 

[R13...]

Take it up with the person who made the claim.

People should learn to read. Not jump in mid thread and start making demands, but we understand. They're South African. Entitled.

 

[Next Thing]

If you make a claim, you back it up, there is absolutely no need for this rant.

LOL he made his claim 1st that all commisions were implemented. Now in that case he should be able to prove as that would then be documented.
Whereas you are asking me to prove nothing has been done , which is hard to prove as noone documents when they do nothing. Things are only documented when they do something.
But in my case there is a lot of new articles showing difficulty in even getting the results of the commision started in investigations, never mind done.
I know things like this are hard for you to understand being that you come from a 30% education regime.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

Could you enumerate on what commissions didn't have their recommendations implemented?

Based on ANC's track record on supporting corruption, I am fairly confident that apart from occasional slap and prison sentences for Tony & Block, none of the ANC cadres have been implicated in any commission/report.

It is really easy to find out. These 2 reports. Not related to above mentioned Tony or Block of course.

The President has neither engaged with nor released the Nacac report from a commission he set up to make recommendations after the State Capture commission made its findings.

For three years, Ramaphosa has sat on another report which advised him on exactly what needed to happen to stabilise the police service and clean up Crime Intelligence. This report by Prof Sandy Africa was commissioned after what Ramaphosa called an “attempted insurrection” in July 2021 (the July riots), which saw confidence in South Africa rattled as looting and lawlessness went on for days and days.

source

 

[R13...]

LOL he made his claim 1st that all commisions were implemented. Now in that case he should be able to prove as that would then be documented.
Whereas you are asking me to prove nothing has been done , which is hard to prove as noone documents when they do nothing. Things are only documented when they do something.
But in my case there is a lot of new articles showing difficulty in even getting the results of the commision started in investigations, never mind done.
I know things like this are hard for you to understand being that you come from a 30% education regime.

See? Can't read. If you read my very first comment on commissions I said exactly which ones had their recommendations implemented. But you, being the Skinner that you are, failed to read it. Your temu Cosmik made his 99% comment unrelated to anything I said.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

Is this official yet ? Popped up on my FB feed.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Could you enumerate on what commissions didn't have their recommendations implemented?

Apart from the big one, the Zondo commission?

There was also a commission after the July unrests, to deal with exactly what this commission is going to be dealing with. He received the report of this one at the beginning of last year.

Then Cachalia, who is now the acting minister, also gave him a report on exactly this topic, in his capacity as chair of that national anti-corruption thingy...

 

[ToxicBunny]

Apart from the big one, the Zondo commission?

There was also a commission after the July unrests, to deal with exactly what this commission is going to be dealing with. He received the report of this one at the beginning of last year.

Then Cachalia, who is now the acting minister, also have him a report on exactly this topic, in his capacity as chair of that national anti-corruption thingy...

Well then he's the perfect Acting Minister to implement his own report you see.... 75D chess from Squirrel I tell you.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

Lmao, he bought Senzu 6 months. Whitfield must tsek immediately, his crimes were apparently not large enough...

I made similar remark in comparing the two but Whitfield went to US without approval so there is evidence against Whitfield.

No such evidence against Mchunu. On mybb, we all jump with joy when anyone talks against ANC inspired corruption. Gayton was mybb's blue eyed boy not so long ago. Thuli was darling too at one stage.

 

[Unhappy1]

Take it up with the person who made the claim.

You interjected yourself into the conversation, im taking it up with both of you.

See? Can't read. If you read my very first comment on commissions I said exactly which ones had their recommendations implemented. But you, being the Skinner that you are, failed to read it. Your temu Cosmik made his 99% comment unrelated to anything I said.

Ive looked back for this post of yours and cant find anything, care to provide the link?

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

I made similar remark in comparing the two but Whitfield went to US without approval so there is evidence against Whitfield.

No such evidence against Mchunu. On mybb, we all jump with joy when anyone talks against ANC inspired corruption. Gayton was mybb's blue eyed boy not so long ago. Thuli was darling too at one stage.

Mkhwanazi presented evidence.

And secondly it's been proven that he lied to parliament, which is a crime, when he said that he doesn't know Mogotsi, and then recently said he knows him as a comrade but not an associate...

 

[Sideshow Bob]

You interjected yourself into the conversation, im taking it up with both of you.


Ive looked back for this post of yours and cant find anything, care to provide the link?

I think he refers to this one. Those PIC & SARS commission recommendations were probably to do with sorting out "process".

I might be accused of moving goalposts but I always asked for any commission into explicit corruption of ANC cadres. Apart from Tony/Block, no one has been jailed/prosecuted as a result of any legal process afaik. I am sure one can find a third ANC guy who was prosecuted but I mean, come on..

A commission into the rot plaguing the SAPS is necessary as long as they dont order whitewash. The commissions into the PIC and SARS were quick and acted upon quickly. There more political the problem the more likely they order a white wash. Or just making some superficial changes to paper over the obvious rot like they did with intelligence.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

Mkhwanazi presented evidence.

And secondly it's been proven that he lied to parliament, which is a crime, when he said that he doesn't know Mogotsi, and then recently said he knows him as a comrade but not an associate...

I am sure 'other' side is entitled to examine/challenge that evidence. Otherwise, do you expect to present evidence against me and have legal system to arrest me immediately ?

 

[Unhappy1]

I think he refers to this one. Those PIC & SARS commission recommendations were probably to do with sorting out "process".

I might be accused of moving goalposts but I always asked for any commission into explicit corruption of ANC cadres. Apart from Tony/Block, no one has been jailed/prosecuted as a result of any legal process afaik. I am sure one can find a third ANC guy who was prosecuted but I mean, come on..

Thanks for the link, yeah well we have already had two commissions into the rot at SAPS maybe three if one can include Zondo and they were not acted on at all.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Thanks for the link, yeah well we have already had two commissions into the rot at SAPS maybe three if one can include Zondo and they were not acted on at all.

Third time lucky you know... its all about adopting Western sayings you know, but without any hypocrisy at all whilst hating on the Ev0l Western Imperialist pigdogs.

 

[TheChamp]

Mkhwanazi presented evidence.

And secondly it's been proven that he lied to parliament, which is a crime, when he said that he doesn't know Mogotsi, and then recently said he knows him as a comrade but not an associate...

I am reading between the lines here, what's your view on the DA calling for a suspension on Mchunu but call for Nkabane to be fired if they are being accused of the same thing?

Looks like an odd inconsistency?

 

[Unhappy1]

Third time lucky you know... its all about adopting Western sayings you know, but without any hypocrisy at all whilst hating on the Ev0l Western Imperialist pigdogs.

No you have your saying wrong comrade, the cadres must have 9 lives so we still have another six commissions before we get any prosecutions.

 

[ToxicBunny]

No you have your saying wrong comrade, the cadres must have 9 lives so we still have another six commissions before we get any prosecutions.

Fsckit.. you're probably right.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

Thanks for the link, yeah well we have already had two commissions into the rot at SAPS maybe three if one can include Zondo and they were not acted on at all.

So, I am in the middle here. Nothing has been done is a stretch as lot of recovery has been done.

However, by nothing, most of us mean that there have been no successful prosecutions/prison sentences as a result of zondo commission recommendations on state capture.

The Presidency has reported that nearly R10 billion in forfeiture orders and settlements have been secured in State Capture cases, along with preservation and restraint orders worth R17 billion.