SA Politics Thread Part 11: The GNU Normal

[Nom Chompsky]

We have two by-elections today - one rather exciting one where the DA will be challenged by the MK in a very marginal ward in eThekwini. A reminder: back in April, the MK won their first metro ward off the DA. The gap between the two parties on the provincial ballot in that ward in 2024 was 9 percentage points - here it is only four percentage points, so it will essentially be game of turnout - who is best at turning out their supporters? Given that the DA has historically struggled to turn out their supporters in by-elections, I will give the edge to MK but I hope to be surprised.

In the other by-election, ANC is seeking to hold a safe seat in their strongest province - Limpopo.

* indicates vote share on the 2024 provincial ballot.

Province	Ethekwini	Ward	Party	Ward Vote Share (%)
KZN	eThekwini	64	DA	40.3* (55.8)
			MK	36.3* (--)
			ANC	9.1* (24.8)
Limpopo	Ephraim Mogale	9	ANC	65.5
			EFF	27.2

 

[Bewlen]

So the DA, is never going to admit to their 8 year failure in Tshwane?

Admitting your shortcomings is not a sign of weakness, it shows that you are genuine, that's why the ANC is in power and the DA a party that is stuck at 20%.

As soon as the ANC admits to 30 years of failure in south africa

 

[ToxicBunny]

As soon as the ANC admits to 30 years of failure in south africa

But Cyril did that, and he then admired the DA cos they're just better.

 

[Solarion]

Yes, because that's how the minority got wealthy during apartheid in South Africa. There were no state polices and SOEs giving them handouts.

Sit down man.

This is also how the majority have gotten wealthy, by benefiting from race legislation at the expense of the previously advantaged minority.

What are you even doing here on MyBroadband? You should be out traveling the world enjoying your wealth and privilege.

 

[Mista_Mobsta]

Yes, because that's how the minority got wealthy during apartheid in South Africa. There were no state polices and SOEs giving them handouts.

Sit down man.

Can't argue with the state policies regarding white vs black labor...utterly abhorrent policies for sure. There we agree.

Those in charge of the SOE's however, made sure that they were working and took pride in their office. Corruption is endemic to every country and era across the world but the magnitude in our government at the moment is staggering!

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

As soon as the ANC admits to 30 years of failure in south africa

They have, which is why they have now endorsed the DA. The Greatest Liberation Movement cares about our people, which means getting the best people to govern...

 

[ToxicBunny]

Can't argue with the state policies regarding white vs black labor...utterly abhorrent policies for sure. There we agree.

Those in charge of the SOE's however, made sure that they were working and took pride in their office. Corruption is endemic to every country and era across the world but the magnitude in our government at the moment is staggering!

I'm still waiting for him to list the handouts though, cos I feel hard done by that I never got what was owed to me.

 

[Next Thing]

Given that the DA has historically struggled to turn out their supporters in by-elections

Yeah DA members are more likely to be productive members with jobs and responsibilities. By elections are not a holiday and not all companies give time off
Elections have holidays for a reason , so that everyone can vote

 

[Mista_Mobsta]

I'm still waiting for him to list the handouts though, cos I feel hard done by that I never got what was owed to me.

Yeah I hear you - we can't argue with how terrible the racial legislation was regarding job availability for black vs white during apartheid but this BS that everything was just handed on a silver platter is ridiculous.

 

[Next Thing]

I'm still waiting for him to list the handouts though, cos I feel hard done by that I never got what was owed to me.

Me neither. Wasnt really productively active during apartheid. I only started working and becoming independant after 1994
Never had any handouts and I dont recall my parents being given land or money by the governement. They had to work for it and pay taxes and their sons had to be cannon fodder

 

[Next Thing]

Yeah I hear you - we can't argue with how terrible the racial legislation was regarding job availability for black vs white during apartheid

Which is to some extent now reversed by current BEE legislation

 

[TheChamp]

We have two by-elections today - one rather exciting one where the DA will be challenged by the MK in a very marginal ward in eThekwini. A reminder: back in April, the MK won their first metro ward off the DA. The gap between the two parties on the provincial ballot in that ward in 2024 was 9 percentage points - here it is only four percentage points, so it will essentially be game of turnout - who is best at turning out their supporters? Given that the DA has historically struggled to turn out their supporters in by-elections, I will give the edge to MK but I hope to be surprised.

In the other by-election, ANC is seeking to hold a safe seat in their strongest province - Limpopo.

* indicates vote share on the 2024 provincial ballot.

Province	Ethekwini	Ward	Party	Ward Vote Share (%)
KZN	eThekwini	64	DA	40.3* (55.8)
			MK	36.3* (--)
			ANC	9.1* (24.8)
Limpopo	Ephraim Mogale	9	ANC	65.5
			EFF	27.2

The DA will probably retain that ward as the ANC will be regaining some of its support back from the MK as it has been the trend in all by elections since the 2024 elections, the MK has struggled to stamp its authority by improving their form from 2024, it's either they remain stagnant or drop.

 

[Mista_Mobsta]

Which is to some extent now reversed by current BEE legislation

My issue with the current BEE legislation is that it doesn't have any specified sunset clauses, no performance and outcome based clauses and currently enriches the politically connected and tenderpreneurs. If one had introduced a LSM based system and connected it with significant tax breaks to use "white-wealth" to create "black-wealth", we would have already seen a significant change in SA's PDI situation.

I tend to agree with the reversal to a large degree.

 

[MalcomZ]

My issue with the current BEE legislation is that it doesn't have any specified sunset clauses, no performance and outcome based clauses and currently enriches the politically connected and tenderpreneurs. If one had introduced a LSM based system and connected it with significant tax breaks to use "white-wealth" to create "black-wealth", we would have already seen a significant change in SA's PDI situation.

I tend to agree with the reversal to a large degree.

The sunset clause is when the inequality between the minority and the black majority is gone. Until then, BEE stays.

 

[MalcomZ]

This is also how the majority have gotten wealthy, by benefiting from race legislation at the expense of the previously advantaged minority.

What are you even doing here on MyBroadband? You should be out traveling the world enjoying your wealth and privilege.

Delusions so early while we await General Mkhwanazi.

What wealth and privilege?

 

[MalcomZ]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1968168780556800180

 

[MalcomZ]

Now we get the juicy details . Cyril probably wishes a crack would open in the earth and swallow him given the storm or storms rather that surround him.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1968188004641485013

 

[dualmeister]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1968205083289715000

 

[MalcomZ]

The Madlanga Commission is starting now.

 

[dualmeister]

Now we get the juicy details . Cyril probably wishes a crack would open in the earth and swallow him given the storm or storms rather that surround him.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1968188004641485013