SA Politics Thread Part 12

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Zellephant said:
Have you looked at the demographics in Knysna lately? It’s probably one of the ANC’s most successful voter resettlement programs. There is a huge, almost entirely Xhosa population now, that is larger than the entire white and coloured population of Knysna, that didn’t exist 20 years ago.

The fact that they live in a total hell hole (but with the best view of the lagoon), and wod actually have been far better off just living a simple pastoral life in the transkie than they will ever be now is irrelevant. What matters is, they will vote ANC.

George is probably 10 years away from going the same way unless something drastic changes. The black population in George municipality now outstrips the white and coloured population.

Although I can’t agree with your teacher that apartheid was good, there are huge parts of South Africa that were much better off during apartheid than what they are now.

That’s probably the saddest thing about the legacy of the ANC. Apartheid was an atrocity, and yet 35 years of ANC rule has been worse.

Winde is one of the few adults in the room as far as the DA goes, but unfortunately he showed his true colours after the previous election, and proved the DA isn’t really as federalist as it makes out to be. He puts nationalist interests above the will of his constituents just like the rest of them.

If he is flying business class, which one can only assume such an entitled prick would be, and he would be travelling with some sort of entourage as well, the cost can easily get that high. It’s a pretty difficult routing flying to the Gambia. No direct flights. It gets expensive fast.
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Will Zille or the DA ever start handing out those "Eastern Cape refugee" stickers? I'll happily put one on my car, since I no longer have an EC licence plate.

Sorry again for "stealing" a WC job and flat. I hope that the border checks at the Bloukrans Bridge won't add much time to my drive in future.
 
ShaunSA said:
You'd need to have neurons for that to happen :whistling:
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Your synaptic cleft is experiencing high winds, which is blowing the smoke signals away. That's why you made this post. That or it has become too wide for the other to distinguish between smoke and haze.
 
cr@zydude said:
Will Zille or the DA ever start handing out those "Eastern Cape refugee" stickers? I'll happily put one on my car, since I no longer have an EC licence plate.

Sorry again for "stealing" a WC job and flat. I hope that the border checks at the Bloukrans Bridge won't add much time to my drive in future.
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Unless you really did steal the flat, and your not competent or deserving of the job you have, you are not part of the problem.

The Western Cape’s problem is not economically active contributing residents, it’s those that come for nothing but the much better social services, and to then vote ANC, even though it’s the failures of the ANC they are fleeing from.

You and me (I’m also a refugee, but from GP instead of EC) aren’t the problem Zille refers to when talking about EC refugees, these are:

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And I will give you one guess who they going to vote for in the upcoming municipal elections.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Nice to see you celebrating the DA doing things the right way Champy, this is progress.
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He's still in the festive spirit. But he will likely be celebrating something very soon that is bad for the DA (watch this space!) - in fact, it'll be in the early hours of Thursday if my prediction is correct.
 
Zellephant said:
Have you looked at the demographics in Knysna lately? It’s probably one of the ANC’s most successful voter resettlement programs. There is a huge, almost entirely Xhosa population now, that is larger than the entire white and coloured population of Knysna, that didn’t exist 20 years ago.

The fact that they live in a total hell hole (but with the best view of the lagoon), and wod actually have been far better off just living a simple pastoral life in the transkie than they will ever be now is irrelevant. What matters is, they will vote ANC.

George is probably 10 years away from going the same way unless something drastic changes. The black population in George municipality now outstrips the white and coloured population.
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Although the demographics might be changing, the result was still clearly the result of lazy DA voters. In 2021, the DA only got 35% of the vote but on the provincial 2024 ballot, it received 51.0 percent, which is more like the share of the vote in previous municipal elections in Knysna.
 
Zellephant said:
Unless you really did steal the flat, and your not competent or deserving of the job you have, you are not part of the problem.

The Western Cape’s problem is not economically active contributing residents, it’s those that come for nothing but the much better social services, and to then vote ANC, even though it’s the failures of the ANC they are fleeing from.

You and me (I’m also a refugee, but from GP instead of EC) aren’t the problem Zille refers to when talking about EC refugees, these are:

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And I will give you one guess who they going to vote for in the upcoming municipal elections.
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The biggest factor that makes people move is better economic opportunities not better social services, does Gauteng offer better social services than the Western Cape? It has the highest in-migrationof all provinces, even the Western Cape.
 
TheChamp said:
The biggest factor that makes people move is better economic opportunities not better social services, does Gauteng offer better social services than the Western Cape? It has the highest in-migrationof all provinces, even the Western Cape.
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For the overwhelming majority living in squalor in the informal settlements in Knysna, in Grabouw, in Swellendam etc, hell, even the informal settlements around Cape Town, there are no real economic opportunities. They may have come hoping for opportunities, but they simply don’t exist. The industries in these areas will never be able to absorb everyone who comes in. By now they must surely know that, so why do they keep coming, and more importantly, why don’t they go back home when they realise there are no opportunities?

The real question you must ask is why in 35 years, have the ANC not been able to create meaningful opportunities for them in their homeland? Why is it better to come live in squalor in the hope of opportunity in the Western Cape.

One can say what you like about apartheid and its ills, but it doesn’t change the fact that the ANC inherited a well structured economic growth engine in the Transkei in the form of the former Transkei Industrial Development Program, which built schools and training centres, trade colleges, factories, industries, large scale industrial chicken and dairy farming operations, secondary industries etc, as well as good clinics and hospitals. Whatever the reasons for the apartheid regime funding all of that, could have been forgotten, but the infrastructure utilised. Instead it was left to go derelict, a people forced to move to to the cities in hope of finding something.

The Border Industries Program might have had a lot of negative connotation to it, but it didn’t make the industries and infrastructure it provided any less real. But instead of growing on that, they tore it down, to what end. To take economic opportunity away from its core voter base, and keep them forever dependent on the state.
 
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