Scientific and logical objections to evolution...

[Swa]

You know someone is flat out lying when they say there is evidence for creationism and no evidence for evolution.

You like misstating what people say?

Still wallowing in incredulity and ignorance, Swa? Still...?


Non-issue:

Here's something for you to read...

Nice. Take one very nonspecific phylogenetic tree that only gives a broad outline and claim to have a perfect evolutionary tree. Wonderful. Next...

FALSE DICHOTOMY ALERT! Just because something is non-random, it does not follow that it is guided. Evolution happens through the non-random survival of randomly varying replicators, to quote someone who actually knows what he's talking about.

You did not take that in the context it was posted.

 

[HapticSimian]

Nice. Take one very nonspecific phylogenetic tree that only gives a broad outline and claim to have a perfect evolutionary tree. Wonderful. Next...

There is no need for a 'perfect evolutionary tree', nor any reasonable expectation that one will ever be produced. All that's needed is a viable natural explanation for an observed phenomenon, which by default trumps any appeal to supposed intelligent design.

You did not take that in the context it was posted.

You posed a question. It was answered.

 

[Swa]

There is no need for a 'perfect evolutionary tree', nor any reasonable expectation that one will ever be produced. All that's needed is a viable natural explanation for an observed phenomenon, which by default trumps any appeal to supposed intelligent design.

If everything evolved from a common ancestor it stands to reason there should be a perfect evolutionary tree. Yet DNA, ERVs, microRNAs, and homology all give different evolutionary trees. That doesn't trump anything.

You posed a question. It was answered.

Related to the development of life. A pure chance event. You answered basically with natural selectiondidit™ regarding after the development of life. Your interpretation is still not something that's commonly accepted to be the case however.

 

[HapticSimian]

If everything evolved from a common ancestor it stands to reason there should be a perfect evolutionary tree. Yet DNA, ERVs, microRNAs, and homology all give different evolutionary trees. That doesn't trump anything.

It stands to reason that, when attempting to reconstruct a picture which had its foundations laid an almost unfathomably long time ago, the image will get more murky the further back one peers. You want perfect because you mistakenly think a goat herders' anthology offers perfection; out here in the real world perfection is sometimes neither practical nor necessary.

Related to the development of life. A pure chance event. You answered basically with natural selectiondidit™ regarding after the development of life. Your interpretation is still not something that's commonly accepted to be the case however.

Again, we have no grounds to declare it so. We live on a rocky planet, orbiting a normal small star, located on one arm of a cosmically unremarkable spiral galaxy, and we're attempting to reconstruct four billion year old occurrences. We do not have the data to proclaim that the emergence of life is either rare or the product of chance.

 

[unskinnybob]

This thread has degenerated into a regurgitation of every nonsense ID/Creationist argument ever put forward. This little charade with SWA isn't a debate, it isn't a discussion, it's stupidity reincarnate.

This thread doesn't belong in science OR PD. I'd recommend the humour section if I thought it was funny. Perhaps myBB forums need an irony section.

 

[Swa]

It stands to reason that, when attempting to reconstruct a picture which had its foundations laid an almost unfathomably long time ago, the image will get more murky the further back one peers. You want perfect because you mistakenly think a goat herders' anthology offers perfection; out here in the real world perfection is sometimes neither practical nor necessary.

Our claimed most recent ancestor is anything but unfathomably long ago.

Again, we have no grounds to declare it so. We live on a rocky planet, orbiting a normal small star, located on one arm of a cosmically unremarkable spiral galaxy, and we're attempting to reconstruct four billion year old occurrences. We do not have the data to proclaim that the emergence of life is either rare or the product of chance.

But we have the data to declare it isn't rare without evidence to back that up. Right, I forgot...

 

[Swa]

This thread has degenerated into a regurgitation of every nonsense ID/Creationist argument ever put forward. This little charade with SWA isn't a debate, it isn't a discussion, it's stupidity reincarnate.

This thread doesn't belong in science OR PD. I'd recommend the humour section if I thought it was funny. Perhaps myBB forums need an irony section.

If evolution "debates" generally degrade into nonsense (unskinny's definition for philosophy) then it stands to reason it's built on nothing but nonsense.

 

[DrJohnZoidberg]

This thread:

Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.

.. ad infinitum.

May as well just close this thread, it's not going to go anywhere.

 

[Swa]

This thread:

Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.

.. ad infinitum.

May as well just close this thread, it's not going to go anywhere.

And we have the first one to see the problem. The problem being a problem with no answer yet some claim one branch of science not to be science because it doesn't provide an answer. Yet the other one doesn't either.

 

[porchrat]

This thread:

Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.
Evolution is wrong.
Evolution is fact.

.. ad infinitum.

May as well just close this thread, it's not going to go anywhere.

You forgot the parts where they argued about god and other religious and philosophical bullschit for page upon page.

 

[HapticSimian]

And we have the first one to see the problem. The problem being a problem with no answer yet some claim one branch of science not to be science because it doesn't provide an answer. Yet the other one doesn't either.

There is a distinction between having no answer and having an incomplete answer, as there is a distinction between science and [-]claptrap IDeology[/-] pseudoscience. You seem unable to draw either of these distinctions.

 

[Unhappy1]

I did, and the evidence is there you ignore it.

I will repeat myself for the 4th time, to which you will ignore it and say creationism has evidence too and stop.

/snip

Because creation(ism) does. You keep ignoring it however and claim your interpretation of the evidence is the only one that matters.

So you claim my theory with more evidence is fake and you say i must not claim it as the truth? and yet I dont see the evidence of god (what evidence show me), YET you are as arrogant to claim it is true?

Your theory has nothing but subjective evidence so you can claim the mountain to be as high as you like but it will always amount to ****ing nothing. I don't care if you want to believe in God or not as I already said so you're just pissing against the wind there. You are the one that's arrogant and ignorant to claim something as proven fact when you really have nothing more than me.

Major pot kettle , good thing you're wrong. Now i know your modus operandi so i fully expect you to perform some grammatical cartwheels to get around this one which will be nothing but a lie. Either way have a good weekend Swa .

 

[CoolBug]

And we have the first one to see the problem. The problem being a problem with no answer yet some claim one branch of science not to be science because it doesn't provide an answer. Yet the other one doesn't either.

Problem is that all the notable educational institutions laugh at the one and teach the other.

Yeah they must all be wrong.

Man I do love Ben Steins movie: no intelligence allowed. Just love seeing those idiots getting kicked out of public educational institutions for trying to teach their philosophy instead of science, and the best part? Rofl they make a movie of it, QQing the whole way through, hmm I'm thinking of putting it on now, man its funny.

Edit :

Got to love this line :

"They will never accept that we have a better argument, they just pester us and they waste our time."

Seriously guys watch this movie.

 

[DrJohnZoidberg]

"Skepticism is not a position you take its an approach to claims."

Oops, pressed quote by accident will delete this, Damn tapatalk can't delete post

Lol. Thought you were arguing with yourself there for a moment

 

[Swa]

You forgot the parts where they argued about god and other religious and philosophical bullschit for page upon page.

You forget who it was that introduced that.

Major pot kettle , good thing you're wrong. Now i know your modus operandi so i fully expect you to perform some grammatical cartwheels to get around this one which will be nothing but a lie. Either way have a good weekend Swa .

No cartwheels necessary. You still don't get it with all your mental gymnastics.

Problem is that all the notable educational institutions laugh at the one and teach the other.

Yeah they must all be wrong.

Man I do love Ben Steins movie: no intelligence allowed. Just love seeing those idiots getting kicked out of public educational institutions for trying to teach their philosophy instead of science, and the best part? Rofl they make a movie of it, QQing the whole way through, hmm I'm thinking of putting it on now, man its funny.

Edit :

Got to love this line :

"They will never accept that we have a better argument, they just pester us and they waste our time."

Seriously guys watch this movie.

They can't prove they are right but teach it as though they are.

 

[Unhappy1]

No cartwheels necessary. You still don't get it with all your mental gymnastics.

/Facepalm ... No mental gymnastics were performed by me , i merely quoted an exchange between you and Riax.

 

[Swa]

/Facepalm ... No mental gymnastics were performed by me , i merely quoted an exchange between you and Riax.

And you missed the entire gist of it.

 

[Unhappy1]

And you missed the entire gist of it.

I have better luck communicating with a tree.

 

[CoolBug]

I have better luck communicating with a tree.

That pretty much sums it up.

 

[buyeye]

That pretty much sums it up.

It sums up this thread.