SEACOM’s effect will take time

Garyvdh said:
sheesh, you guys are a bunch of b!tchers and whiners. Some solitary dude makes a comment in a news article and you all toss your toys out of the cot. The least we can do is wait and see. At that stage you can then say, "I told you so"... but saying "I told you so" before Seacom has even gone live just makes you look like a tool.
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Yes
We have been conditioned that way after seeing 500 SEACOM threads.
 
agreed. Where you guys honestly expecting things to change from launch day?
Expect a good few months for the smaller guys to see some change.
Obviously alot of ISP are going to have much larger profit margin if their costs are cut so they are going to rape us end consumers for a while.
I say end of 2009 or early 2010 before we see MAYBE see something
 
Garyvdh said:
sheesh, you guys are a bunch of b!tchers and whiners. Some solitary dude makes a comment in a news article and you all toss your toys out of the cot. The least we can do is wait and see. At that stage you can then say, "I told you so"... but saying "I told you so" before Seacom has even gone live just makes you look like a tool.
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Well said Gary.

I believe in at least some of the ISPs that are pro-consumer to start fighting new battles for the people that supports them - from the launch of SEACOM.
 
Needle Test

Take a needle, prick your finger. Do you bleed? Well then sorry they can't drop the price yet...Why you are not bled dry yet :eek:

Sea-com, tel-kom = discounts always com-es, but never arrives...
 
Maybe he says it will take 2 years, because people who have heard about SEACOM, aren't willing to sign 2 year data contracts anymore.
 
..|.. to the ADSL price fixing cartel.

I bet if an honest ISP used SEACOM we would see our prices drop drastically.
 
Wow, what a joke. In the beginning it was good news SEACOM articles all over. Finally our bandwidth starved nation would have a competitor to bring us lower prices and bigger caps. Oh my how the tone just suddenly changed. Let me guess, a sudden brain wave hit them that why the hell should they offer discounted bandwidth if they can too get away with day light robbery.

Cant say im surprised. But this really is a slap in the face of all the people who in good faith have been looking forward to the SEACOM cable. The best part is... wait for the next next cable and then we will see "truly ‘substantial reduction" ARE U SERIOUS??? OMG WHERE DID WE HEAR THAT BEFORE... OH YES, THATS WHERE, WHEN WE HEARD SEACOM WAS COMING!!!
 
1. bigger caps/usage will mean the less profit, NOT the same/more, so that pov is silly.

2. ADSL system is designed to be paid on a per usage basis from ISP's to network providers, not necessarily from clients(this is the packaging thing that makes them add value apparently lol). So again, increased volume will NOT keep profits the same or increased for the network/bandwidth providers unless they are selling direct to consumer and then it will be anti-competitive(IS on the other hand has packaged deals for reselling too).

Thus if the IS is saying what it is.. then there really is no hope but then IS is no different from Telkom/Saix after all, they basically just reaffirming that it will be business as usual and keep their pricing inline with saix. The whole redundancy issue i suspect is due to them having satellite, saix and now seacom access, the previous two they have time commitments to, so they basically indicating they will NOT sell separate circuits on seacom(and justify as an inferior product with no redundancy if cable problems occur, i.e. package it with fall over to the other to for a 'slightly' reduced price.).
 
Love Gottrends conclusion.

I don't get where peeps get off dissing Seacom in this thread. The only input was from 2 owners of businesses that stand to make losses from true competition.

This article gave them an oppurtunity to twist facts to their liking, in the hope of providing the public with a "plausible reason" for their continued raping of the consumer.

Those were not facts, but simply them having said something to the press, which is meant to make us understand their plight. :rolleyes:

There can be no reason why offerings should not be lower because Seacom. The infrastructure has been in place for years and costs have been recovered. All that needs to be done is "Plug & Play".

Rouxenator, Seacom have certainly considered ROI. But not for the reasoning you are trying to make mention of. Their business model is to simply supply bandwidth, cheaply and create volumes which then facilitates their ROI. Also consider that we are not the only stop along Seacom's path.
The entire East Coast of Africa is generating revenue for them.
So your doomsday prophecy is misdirected. The cable is not the problem. Local players in the market like IS are.

I still feel that, ISP's, Cellular operators, ICENS holders and Dark Fibre are sources of hope.

If they come together and find a workaround Telkom's interconnect fees. We could see change.

So everyone should look at the bigger picture that's been hanging on our walls for all of these years. The problem is not with Seacom, but with people like our two industry experts quoted in this article.

Apologies for any spelling errors. Posted from phone.
 
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LOL. No wonder I didn't get my hopes up. While back 'everything was to change' overnight. As heard... on MyBroadband. Now it's 'minor' with likelihood of dramatic changes in... yawn... 2 years time. SA can kiss my ass. I left mentally a long time ago. If you need positivity, PM me.... lol!
 
Shake&Bake: Thats a lot of text 2 post off a phone :s Must have taken a while :)

All I want is for my WoW's lat 2 b under 500ms, how do they expect a person 2 PvP with a 900ms delay ?!?!?
 
Garyvdh said:
Seacom has already published their prices and they are ten times lower than Telkom. Which planet have you been living on?

If anyone is going to keep the prices inflated, it is not Seacom.
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I am sure those are the wholesale prices to the Tier 1 ISP, I doubt very very much we will feel the drastic price decrease, we will get milked for a while considerig the Tier 1 ISP had to invest in Equipment, Fibre Optic cable, Terminating Unit need I say more.

Seacom has come, landed and their is a song that goes likes this "Whats another year" to wait for prices to decrease. Life in a 3rd world country with 1st world technology
Enough babling about dreams in cyberspace
 
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alt21 said:
Shake&Bake: Thats a lot of text 2 post off a phone :s Must have taken a while :)

All I want is for my WoW's lat 2 b under 500ms, how do they expect a person 2 PvP with a 900ms delay ?!?!?
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LoL :D yeah and anyone that knows an Omnia's keyboard layout, knows its a bit of a squeeze :p :D

But getting suprisingly quicker on it. :D
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Summary: huge increase in potential international capacity. Same prices and same cap size.
 
Hi All,

I would just like to add my 2c worth, from an ISP's side. As things currently stand, the smallest chunk of capacity an ISP can buy is a STM-1 (155Mbs) for +-R37 mil. Now, I do not know how much money you guys think us small ISP's make, but that is a rather large chunk of money.

Now even if we could purchase a STM-1, the problem lies with the few big companies in SA that can afford to buy a STM-4 (622Mbs) for R120mil. The STM-4 provides a huge saving over the STM-1, and anybody who purchased an STM-1 will be out priced in the marked by the big companies. And that is where the problem lies, a couple of big companies can control the pricing again.

We are currently looking at forming a consortium of small ISP's to purchase a STM-4, and with that we can have proper competition.
 
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They say prices will drop, but not substantially... so what are they thinking then? 2% drop in prices or something equally stooooopid?
 
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