Sedans vs SUVs

I think the latest Mazda SUV advert is ludicrous

"Space like a SUV but handles like a sportscar" :wtf:

sue me if I don't have the exact wording
 
I've been driving station wagons for the past 8 years or so, and was planning to buy another one when I hit a cow in December and they wrote the last one off. I couldn't find what I wanted and ended up buying an X3 because it was as close to a station wagon as I could find. And I really like it. I like the ride, the way it handles bumpy roads, how I can see further, and the ground clearance. I live on a farm, and have managed to get my station wagon wherever I needed it, but the X3 is easier to drive on a dirt road. While it's not as nippy around corners as the old car, it's not a problem. I'd prefer being able to get the extra 150km a tank that I could in the C class, but I'm pretty happy with the X3 all in all. I'll probably replace it with another one when the time comes (in another 350 000 km or so).
 
Here's the thing regarding bakkies ... you can't park them in town, and they don't have turning circles worth mentioning. That's one of the main reasons I'd go the SUV route rather than the full bakkie route: easier to park in town. Or at least, that's the theory - especially if it has a reversing camera built-in.

Another thing that bothers me about bakkies is that you have to put a canopy on the back for them to have any use for 'regular' people, and just imagine the mess when you take one shopping for groceries and those slide all over 0.o

That's what makes me think the upcoming Everest will be great: the imposing bulk of the Ranger, but the compact wheelbase and other benefits of an SUV. Plus it's not a Fortuner!

And then I see a Ford Fusion, and my mind short circuits :/
 
Here's the thing regarding bakkies ... you can't park them in town, and they don't have turning circles worth mentioning. That's one of the main reasons I'd go the SUV route rather than the full bakkie route: easier to park in town. Or at least, that's the theory - especially if it has a reversing camera built-in.

Another thing that bothers me about bakkies is that you have to put a canopy on the back for them to have any use for 'regular' people, and just imagine the mess when you take one shopping for groceries and those slide all over 0.o

That's what makes me think the upcoming Everest will be great: the imposing bulk of the Ranger, but the compact wheelbase and other benefits of an SUV. Plus it's not a Fortuner!

And then I see a Ford Fusion, and my mind short circuits :/

Did you buy your license? I park just fine, thanks.
 
Did you buy your license? I park just fine, thanks.

I'm sure you do Brenden, but would you park more easily with a smaller vehicle?

I don't know if you've ever noticed the difficulty that bakkies have moving around in constrained spaces (underground parking and packed office parking lots are useful examples), or how they hold up all other vehicles behind them as they try squeeze into bays too small for them with five-point turns (not necessarily drivers of your caliber, but the countless others who buy bakkies with zero skill).

Back on-topic, I think the biggest issues with 'sedans vs SUVs' is price, isn't it? You can basically get a much more luxurious sedan for the same price as a bare-bones SUV.

Examples: VW Tiguan vs VW Passat / Toyota Fortuner vs Lexus IS250 / Kia Sportage vs Kia Optima / Honda CRV vs Honda Accord. To get a luxurious SUV (Toyota Prado / Audi Q5 / BMW X5) you basically just need to sign over your bank account.

That makes the choice even harder.
 
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Forgive me for asking a real dumb question;

Why exactly do you need a suv if you never even seen a dirt road?

And why exactly do you need a bakkie, unless your a plumber?

For 90% of people a sedan or hatchback works....
Yes there are exceptions, as always, and I'm certainly not judging anybody,

But why are we copying the Yanks with suv's even crossovers?

Bit pointless really, as all people really do with suv's is park on high curbs, never even seen a dirt road......
 
Forgive me for asking a real dumb question;

Why exactly do you need a suv if you never even seen a dirt road?

And why exactly do you need a bakkie, unless your a plumber?

For 90% of people a sedan or hatchback works....
Yes there are exceptions, as always, and I'm certainly not judging anybody,

But why are we copying the Yanks with suv's even crossovers?

Bit pointless really, as all people really do with suv's is park on high curbs, never even seen a dirt road......

Like I said in first post I go places where any car can go but if the weather changes you get stuck. I have taken a kia Rio old shape to the drankensburg. That's when I decided we needed more ground clearance then I went to my father on the south coast then I decided I need a car that has awd even if it's not a hardcore off road er. So I don't have to ask my father if it's raining hard before I visit him.
 
Forgive me for asking a real dumb question;

Why exactly do you need a suv if you never even seen a dirt road?

And why exactly do you need a bakkie, unless your a plumber?

For 90% of people a sedan or hatchback works....
Yes there are exceptions, as always, and I'm certainly not judging anybody,

But why are we copying the Yanks with suv's even crossovers?

Bit pointless really, as all people really do with suv's is park on high curbs, never even seen a dirt road......

A SUV will generally have thicker tyre sidewalls, and even more so bakkies, and can thus handle potholes better.

Saw a luxury sedan with these low profile tyres they love putting on them, hit a pothole on the N14, instant flat tyre.

Also the ground clearance helps with speed bumps and such. There a shopping centre he where low sedans and cars like a Polo Vivo will scratch their bellies when going onto the road out of the centre unless taken slow and at the right angle, my Figo with better ground clearance? I can take it any damn angle I want.

Also, its nicer to just slide onto a seat vs going low down to sit, especially as one gets older. To put stuff into the back is also easier on your back.

There also the ability to see over and around the other normal height vehicles better, useful on the N1 and the Kruger.

A SUV is an estate (station wagon), so your real argument should be low sedan vs high estate. Most styling on low estates is not that great looking, more like an afterthought and I bet you the pricing was stupid, so low estates don't sell in great numbers.

The Ecosport I want to get is more a high hatchback, a raised Figo if you will, just 20cm longer, with better safety features (more airbags) and more other features.
 
Like I said in first post I go places where any car can go but if the weather changes you get stuck. I have taken a kia Rio old shape to the drankensburg. That's when I decided we needed more ground clearance then I went to my father on the south coast then I decided I need a car that has awd even if it's not a hardcore off road er. So I don't have to ask my father if it's raining hard before I visit him.

I'm probably gonna get flamed here;

What about one of those cars with slightly higher ground clearance?

Crosspolo? Etios cross? Things like that,
I mean your not going hardcore off roading
To justify a 4x4 and your doing a bit of dirt road to need something with a bit of off roading......
 
The Ecosport I want to get is more a high hatchback, a raised Figo if you will, just 20cm longer, with better safety features (more airbags) and more other features.

Supersunbird, if the Ford Ecosport ticks the right boxes you might also want to look at the Peugeot 2008 and Renault Captur. Heck, pre-owned Hyundai Tucson SUVs are also extremely popular in SA, and you could get one for a decent saving.

Something I wonder about with SUVs is their relative crash safety compared to sedans. If you can sit a bit higher, just above the average point of a crash impact, I wonder if that makes it a bit safer than only being protected by the strength of your sedan's reinforcing pillars and crumple zones.
 
Crosspolo? Etios cross? Things like that,

The Crosspolo is cute (just what every guy wants, right?) but the Etios Cross is ... err ... just no. Guy code forbids it. The new Renault Sandero Stepway, on the other hand, isn't half-bad, in that same class.
 
I'm probably gonna get flamed here;

What about one of those cars with slightly higher ground clearance?

Crosspolo? Etios cross? Things like that,
I mean your not going hardcore off roading
To justify a 4x4 and your doing a bit of dirt road to need something with a bit of off roading......

Fell for the marketing did ya?

Angry Polo ground clearance - 12.5cm - http://www.um.co.za/specifications/volkswagen_crosspolo_1_6_(2010).aspx
Normal Polo ground clearance - 11.5cm - http://www.um.co.za/specifications/volkswagen_polo_1_6_comfortline_(2010).aspx

Etios Angry is too ugly to even bother checking up on.

Ford Figo ground clearance - 16.8cm - http://www.um.co.za/specifications/ford_figo_1_4_ambiente_(2012).aspx
So that's better than a Cross thing.

Ford Ecosport ground clearance - 20cm - http://www.um.co.za/specifications/ford_ecosport_1_5_tivct_ambiente_(2014).aspx
Now that's starting to get proper.
 
The Crosspolo is cute (just what every guy wants, right?) but the Etios Cross is ... err ... just no. Guy code forbids it. The new Renault Sandero Stepway, on the other hand, isn't half-bad, in that same class.

I'd take some flames for suggesting etios,
But what they said on rpm TV on the Etios is right,

Make a car that satisfy 90% of people and you'll have lots of buyers.....

Myself, hate the instruments in the middle, pointless idea,

I'd get a Brio, or i10 but those can't go off road.

But then again, even with my picanto i manage on a dirt road, so i don't know.....
 
Supersunbird, if the Ford Ecosport ticks the right boxes you might also want to look at the Peugeot 2008 and Renault Captur. Heck, pre-owned Hyundai Tucson SUVs are also extremely popular in SA, and you could get one for a decent saving.

Something I wonder about with SUVs is their relative crash safety compared to sedans. If you can sit a bit higher, just above the average point of a crash impact, I wonder if that makes it a bit safer than only being protected by the strength of your sedan's reinforcing pillars and crumple zones.

Checked out those others already (and the Mazda CX-3).

The French ones, have had French cars (Picasso and C3's and C1) in the family, they are very nice cars, very fuel efficient, but the small dealer network and the backup don't seem that grand. The Duster was also a contender. Don't want any engine with a turbo either, so Captur is out.

The Tucson, just checked, engine size seems to be 2.0l on them? Not ideal for a city run-around I think, and I have to do many small trips a day. But will check more thoroughly.

The upcoming Mazda CX-3, must be trying to compete against the Focus, with that low ground clearance it doesn't even really try to be an SUV.

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In the end I will be forced to take the lowest base Ecosport with the 1.5 petrol.

I don't want something with a turbo, and I don't want a diesel, the automatic, which is NA petrol, can only tow 429kg, and thus my 445kg trailer is not legally allowed. So its the Ecosport Ambiente for me...
 
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SHyundai Tucson SUVs .

Back when the Tucson first came out, I had the 4x4 diesel. took it off to Moz with the brother in law in some Toyota 4 x 4.

It was a biiiiiiiiiiiig joke, ou with the soft 4 x ... et al.

Let me tell you, that little sucker did the mud and the dongas and the rivers and the beaches effortlessly.
One ford 4x4 got stuck as well as some clown in a Mazda who was born stuck.

Replaced my Tucson with a Santa Fe ...... had more space, but damn, loved that Tucson.
 
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