Smart outdoor security cameras in SA?

Bryn

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I searched but don't see this discussion covered. I already have a decent Samsung CCTV 4-channel kit running and it provides 1080p live feeds on a display in the kitchen of both entrances to the property and two decent vantage points that give a good idea of who is outside. They're used pretty much exclusively to see who is at the gates, and the display is above the main intercom we use.

I'd like to supplement that system with some smart cameras though. The current cameras won't do a damn thing to alert us of an immediate emergency situation (Samsung's motion zone/notification functionality is better left off it's so useless - even passing clouds set it off). Facial recognition is available now for ordinary consumer cameras and considering SA's precarious security it seems a no-brainer to get on board.

I understand they tend to work by recording snippets rather than continuously and usually upload to the cloud as well. This isn't an issue with the existing Samsung kit providing the live feeds we need and our internet being uncapped fibre.

These are some options I've looked into:

Google Nest Cam IQ Outdoor
- $598 for two, $349 for one
- Not sure how to ship to SA, may need a mail forwarding service
- Excludes waterproof power adapter for outdoor use
- Crazy expensive Nest Aware subscriptions, but the 5 day one for $5pm is fine for my needs (50% off each additional camera)
- May have issues getting the subscription enabled for SA, a non-supported country
- Will upload 200-400GB per month per camera (24/7 footage though)
- Cameras only connect wirelessly, which might not necessarily be an issue with an extra access point
- Seems to have the smartest people and facial recognition from what I gather

Arlo Pro 2
- $1.1k for a 6-pack and base station from Amazon, ships to SA
- Also no weatherproof power adaptors included
- Mounts need to be purchased separately to cover my needs
- Free cloud subscription included, covers 5 cameras for 7 days
- Records only clips
- I've read that the night vision sucks, even compared to its predecessor
- Not sure if getting subscription to work in SA is a mission

Logitech Circle 2
- $320 for 2, or $180 for 1 direct from logitech.com
- Circle Safe subscription required for smart features and SA not supported

If I can get the subscription to work here, I'm leaning towards the Logitech. The Nest Cam features look great, but the data use is really extreme and would double our monthly bandwidth use. The Arlo Pro 2's supposedly disappointing night vision might render it pointless if it could miss an invasion between 1am and 6am.

Is anyone running smart cameras? Would love some feedback about what locals are using in this regard.
 

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I searched but don't see this discussion covered. I already have a decent Samsung CCTV 4-channel kit running and it provides 1080p live feeds on a display in the kitchen of both entrances to the property and two decent vantage points that give a good idea of who is outside. They're used pretty much exclusively to see who is at the gates, and the display is above the main intercom we use.

I'd like to supplement that system with some smart cameras though. The current cameras won't do a damn thing to alert us of an immediate emergency situation (Samsung's motion zone/notification functionality is better left off it's so useless - even passing clouds set it off). Facial recognition is available now for ordinary consumer cameras and considering SA's precarious security it seems a no-brainer to get on board.

I understand they tend to work by recording snippets rather than continuously and usually upload to the cloud as well. This isn't an issue with the existing Samsung kit providing the live feeds we need and our internet being uncapped fibre.

These are some options I've looked into:

Google Nest Cam IQ Outdoor
- $598 for two, $349 for one
- Not sure how to ship to SA, may need a mail forwarding service
- Excludes waterproof power adapter for outdoor use
- Crazy expensive Nest Aware subscriptions, but the 5 day one for $5pm is fine for my needs (50% off each additional camera)
- May have issues getting the subscription enabled for SA, a non-supported country
- Will upload 200-400GB per month per camera (24/7 footage though)
- Cameras only connect wirelessly, which might not necessarily be an issue with an extra access point
- Seems to have the smartest people and facial recognition from what I gather

Arlo Pro 2
- $1.1k for a 6-pack and base station from Amazon, ships to SA
- Also no weatherproof power adaptors included
- Mounts need to be purchased separately to cover my needs
- Free cloud subscription included, covers 5 cameras for 7 days
- Records only clips
- I've read that the night vision sucks, even compared to its predecessor
- Not sure if getting subscription to work in SA is a mission

Logitech Circle 2
- $320 for 2, or $180 for 1 direct from logitech.com
- Circle Safe subscription required for smart features and SA not supported

If I can get the subscription to work here, I'm leaning towards the Logitech. The Nest Cam features look great, but the data use is really extreme and would double our monthly bandwidth use. The Arlo Pro 2's supposedly disappointing night vision might render it pointless if it could miss an invasion between 1am and 6am.

Is anyone running smart cameras? Would love some feedback about what locals are using in this regard.
Maybe get this https://usm.ezvizlife.com/item/ezGuard/304.html

Doesn't have facial recognition but , in my opinion , it has something more useful, as soon as it spots something it flashes a strobe and activates the built-in siren.

It's R1800 from Takealot
 

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Maybe get this https://usm.ezvizlife.com/item/ezGuard/304.html

Doesn't have facial recognition but , in my opinion , it has something more useful, as soon as it spots something it flashes a strobe and activates the built-in siren.

It's R1800 from Takealot
Thanks! The lack of facial/human recognition might be an issue for that product though. I'd prefer a system I can leave running all the time rather than only when I don't have or expect to have staff, guests, dogs, family etc around outside.

Define smart?

You mentioned zone alerts it has that.
Remote viewing it has that.
Scheduled recording it has it.
Notion detection that works, it has that.

What extra would you like?
By smart I mean facial/human recognition abilities and a snazzy app that makes checking alerts as easy as possible.

My cameras already allow for zones to be set, but I don't use its alert functionality due to so much setting it off. Even much higher quality motion sensing presents the major issue of having to be deactivated most of the time.

Google's Nest Cams (and the Arlo Pro 2 I think) can be trained to recognise faces. So they are always monitoring normally and notify you of unrecognised people. This is the sort of thing I'm after - the equivalent of having a person watch the cameras 24/7.
 

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Thanks! The lack of facial/human recognition might be an issue for that product though. I'd prefer a system I can leave running all the time rather than only when I don't have or expect to have staff, guests, dogs, family etc around outside.



By smart I mean facial/human recognition abilities and a snazzy app that makes checking alerts as easy as possible.

My cameras already allow for zones to be set, but I don't use its alert functionality due to so much setting it off. Even much higher quality motion sensing presents the major issue of having to be deactivated most of the time.

Google's Nest Cams (and the Arlo Pro 2 I think) can be trained to recognise faces. So they are always monitoring normally and notify you of unrecognised people. This is the sort of thing I'm after - the equivalent of having a person watch the cameras 24/7.
That's software.

You stream the camera into third party software.

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi...-events-with-AI-to-detect-people/td-p/1837406
 

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I remember the guys at Syntech telling me about a smart AI product that they have. It can for example detect between the refuse people moving you bin and someone removing a box from your premises. It learns as time goes on. Was pretty impressive and meant to look into it further but never got around to it.
They're also bringing in Lifesmart products which I am hoping to be playing around with soon. This also includes cameras amongst other things, allowing you to create a smart environment.
https://www.syntech.co.za/brands/lifesmart
Don't know how well it works yet but will be testing some products when they finally arrive.
 

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I remember the guys at Syntech telling me about a smart AI product that they have. It can for example detect between the refuse people moving you bin and someone removing a box from your premises. It learns as time goes on. Was pretty impressive and meant to look into it further but never got around to it.
They're also bringing in Lifesmart products which I am hoping to be playing around with soon. This also includes cameras amongst other things, allowing you to create a smart environment.
https://www.syntech.co.za/brands/lifesmart
Don't know how well it works yet but will be testing some products when they finally arrive.
Their website is entirely unhelpful. I'll send them an email though and see what they have to say. Thanks for the mention! :thumbsup:
 

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Their website is entirely unhelpful. I'll send them an email though and see what they have to say. Thanks for the mention! :thumbsup:
Yes, they are apparently in the process of creating a website just for their smart products. I think the Lifesmart product manager in Cape Town is a guy by the name of Shaun ( I stand corrected though).
 

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Yes, they are apparently in the process of creating a website just for their smart products. I think the Lifesmart product manager in Cape Town is a guy by the name of Shaun ( I stand corrected though).
They got back to me with pretty much the same info that's on their website.

The camera is the Yi Outdoor Camera:
https://www.yitechnology.com/yi-outdoor-camera
https://www.syntech.co.za/product-range/yi-bullet-1080p-110-outdoor-camera-white/

The Yi Cloud subscription doesn't indicate that it has much in the way of smart features:
https://www.yitechnology.com/yi-cloud

So I'll email back asking if there's more to it than meets the eye.
 

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They got back to me with pretty much the same info that's on their website.

The camera is the Yi Outdoor Camera:
https://www.yitechnology.com/yi-outdoor-camera
https://www.syntech.co.za/product-range/yi-bullet-1080p-110-outdoor-camera-white/

The Yi Cloud subscription doesn't indicate that it has much in the way of smart features:
https://www.yitechnology.com/yi-cloud

So I'll email back asking if there's more to it than meets the eye.
No that's not it. It was another product. I'll see if I can find out from them.
 

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No that's not it. It was another product. I'll see if I can find out from them.
Weird that the sales guy wouldn't know more about what they have to offer. Thanks for checking - I appreciate it.
 

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The Netatmo Smart Outdoor Camera seems to be the most promising option I've come across yet.

https://www.netatmo.com/product/security/presence



- Easy installation as you just call an electrician or replace an existing light fitting
- Weatherproof & needs no additional accessories
- Has facial, person, animal, car etc. recognition and can learn through the app if you put names to faces
- Built in floodlight is really cool
- Doesn't require (or even offer) a cloud subscription

It is really pricey though. R5.7k from Fruugo is the best price I've seen.
 

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The Netatmo Smart Outdoor Camera seems to be the most promising option I've come across yet.

https://www.netatmo.com/product/security/presence



- Easy installation as you just call an electrician or replace an existing light fitting
- Weatherproof & needs no additional accessories
- Has facial, person, animal, car etc. recognition and can learn through the app if you put names to faces
- Built in floodlight is really cool
- Doesn't require (or even offer) a cloud subscription

It is really pricey though. R5.7k from Fruugo is the best price I've seen.
R4000 from Amazon - free shipping - https://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-security-camera-Netatmo-Presence/dp/B01L25GOGA
 

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Weird that the sales guy wouldn't know more about what they have to offer. Thanks for checking - I appreciate it.
Chatted to the guys today and the solution is called Deep Data and the program is called Deep Alert. Don't know if all their sales people know about it but I was chatting to the CCTV technical staff.
 
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