Spanking lowers IQ

Reptilian said:
@ lance, strawmans again. i have not said that i am not for justice, i said that i was against obedience. a child should be treated as an adult, in a civil manner. if the child done wrong, the child has to be trailed and punnished. my problem is that we should give the child the right to speak for himself and to be put under fair trail too. be that locking the child up so that the other family members could ask questions or throwing the child with water when stand gets kicked in your face, everyone can see this and everyone has a chance to decide and reason this with the child. show the child what is happening.
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When does a child know enough to be treated as an adult, with the ability to know right from wrong? You clearly have no idea how a child behaves, they will push the boundaries to see what they can and can't get away with. Reasoning with a 5 yr old is pretty much pointless alot of the time.
 
Reptilian said:
@ lance, strawmans again. i have not said that i am not for justice, i said that i was against obedience. a child should be treated as an adult, in a civil manner. if the child done wrong, the child has to be trailed and punnished. my problem is that we should give the child the right to speak for himself and to be put under fair trail too. be that locking the child up so that the other family members could ask questions or throwing the child with water when stand gets kicked in your face, everyone can see this and everyone has a chance to decide and reason this with the child. show the child what is happening.
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I think I see the problem here. You are making major assumptions with everything you say. You assume every parent that spanks their child does so without first explaining why they are getting spanked. You have a preconceived idea about a parent walking into a room where the child is happily playing, bending the child over, giving them a hiding and then leaving the room. This may well have been what happened to you but when I was young I always had it explained to me why I was getting a hiding. I got my "trial" which was never a fair trial as you would like to see it as my mom would tell my dad what we did wrong. No need for me to defend myself as there is no reason my mother would lie about what happened. do you really think parents want to spank their children? Actually don't answer that as you have demonstrated that you may not be a good example to use...

You are also proving that you have major issues! Locking the child up is not psychologically damaging?
 
Wait, I missed that bit.....

This cretin is all for locking up a child but is against spanking?....

Right, take away its breeding license, we have enough fscked up people on this planet, it mustn't be allowed to breed.
 
Reptilian said:
i said that i was against obedience.
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You're against obedience? Please explain that one...

Reptilian said:
a child should be treated as an adult
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One day you'll look back on this statement and realise how immature it really is. I've witnessed first-hand the problems associated with treating kids like adults (in fact the exact type of parenting you're advocating) and it aint pretty. R40k's worth of psychology, 3 schools and a divorce later, and they're still as twisted as ever...

Reptilian said:
my problem is that we should give the child the right to speak for himself
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Of course. Just because a person doesn't have an issue with the odd spank as a last resort or if a kid's been extremely naughty, doesn't mean they're not willing to listen to their kid as well. Not sure how you came to this conclusion but it's wrong...

Reptilian said:
put under fair trail too. be that locking the child up so that the other family members could ask questions or throwing the child with water when stand gets kicked in your face, everyone can see this and everyone has a chance to decide and reason this with the child. show the child what is happening.
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WHAT
THE
FSCK
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I have to agree to an extent. Spanking a kid (from my third-party perspective) usually ends up in one of two ways, either the kid rebels entirely, or you subdue their free will.

I don't really think that spanking a kid is the answer for everything, but I do believe that there is a time and a place for it. *shrug*
 
Lycanthrope : I don't think you'll find anyone here who advocates spanking would use it as anything OTHER than the last resort when the child has proven to be intractable and refuses to listen.

This cretin who is totally against spanking of all types, clearly lives in a deluded and very immature reality where its better to throw the kid into a room and lock them up there for a period of time, because that doesn't do any psychological damage at all... promise.
 
Reptilian said:
'cretin' is slander, and a worthless attack, you are not helping anone.

it's not for you to decide as to who has a right to breed. you can't even understand how to understand.

reasonless stone throwing has no place in a civil society.

locking up allows the child to be questioned and for the child to speak up for themself, and is a form of punishment that doesn't physically harm the child and does not severely mentally harm the child either. hiting the child is not a form of punishment either because some children simply laugh it off, while others have more hardcore kipkop parents

/out for day
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Ok, I'll be blunt, you are deluded, immature and should not be allowed to breed, or if you do, your children should be removed from your custody until you are more mature because at your current level of maturity, you will just raise twisted children who will NOT be able to operate in normal society.

I can't even understand how to understand?.. can you please rephrase that in ENGLISH.

Reasonless stone throwing has every place in society, even though you don't think so.

Locking up a child will SEVERLY mentally traumatise the child... or are you REALLY that deluded?
 
ToxicBunny said:
Lycanthrope : I don't think you'll find anyone here who advocates spanking would use it as anything OTHER than the last resort when the child has proven to be intractable and refuses to listen.

This cretin who is totally against spanking of all types, clearly lives in a deluded and very immature reality where its better to throw the kid into a room and lock them up there for a period of time, because that doesn't do any psychological damage at all... promise.
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Gotcha :)

As silly as this might sound, where I grew up, spanking was, as you said, a last resort. And I think I'm the better for it. You have your hissyfit, you get the snot klapped out of you, and 15 minutes later everyone's happy again and you don't try your luck again :p

One thing I've noticed that I think most parents are guilty of is when they give warnings. "Don't do that or you'll get a hiding." She does it again, "I'm warning you, stop it." She carries on. This continues for a while and then eventually she gets a hiding and there are tears and sobs and unhappiness of note.

But she knows that the first warning is just that - the first, and that she can try her luck because nothing will happen.

I think that's unfair on a kid too, because it's kind of like giving them a false sense of security in a weird way...

*shrugs again*

I'm definitely not made to be a parent. I don't have the patience or the emotional endurance for that kind of thing.
 
fear and tyranny?... WTF?!?!?!!?

Have you clearly missed EVERY single person here going on about it being the last resort, as in the child has been spoken to, has been listened to etc etc etc....

I don't quite know how a 4/5 yr old will think getting a spanking from his dad will make a hero, they don't think that way yet.

Your locking the child up teaches nothing except that mommy and daddy 'throw me in a room for a bit when I'm naughty.... nothing bad happens.
 
Lycanthrope: This is what we have been trying to explain to the reptile....
 
Reptilian, you're in no position to discuss this methinks. You're either incapable of reading posts or simply stupid and immature. Either way, I doubt a single parent will take your posts seriously now. You're ignorant of the real world...
 
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Reptilian, you are dumb, immature and STUPID. You need to get a clue before you try and engage in a reasoned debate with adults, because you clearly are not an adult.

You have issues with the way your parents raised you, they clearly beat the living snot out of you and you are all wound up about it... go see a shrink, and hopefully they'll tell you that you're an idiot as well...

(I am now leaving this debate)
 
Reptilian said:
ur ignorantly assuming that it's the red bum that is the problem, it's not the red bum it's the fear and tyranny of the situation of parants not giving the child a chance to speak or allowing the child his/her own freedom that i find as the problem. Spanking is a way of achiving this negative state. yes ban it all, but that doesn't mean that the child shouldn't get punnished, of course punnishment is due, just allow fair justice too. locking the child up is a sensible alternative.


and what if the child is hailed a hero and brave by others for getting the rod? always happens. will he do it for respect? always seems to happen. there is no point, it teaches nothing, and it is no just form of justice.
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You're just projecting your own issues. Sounds like you do actually need professional help. Until then, there will be nothing "pro" about you procreating...
 
Baron Schitzenfartz said:
Zis ist quite true. Vould you like a private session vith ze assistants, ze tvins Helga unt Heidi?
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ToxicBunny said:
(I accept the infraction that this post will get me)
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If you do get one I'll take half... someone needed to say that. Reasoning was not working.

Reptilian said:
doesn't matter who i am, what matters is what i said and if you can prove it wrong.
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Um, a lot of us who are commenting have kids. We don't need proof, we live it every day of our lives. All we actually need is for you to realise the difference between a child that is abused and a child that is disciplined.
 
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