Sport SUV Struggle

Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
OOOH this is going to end well.
So the first criteria is FAST. This only means the OP will be driving the sheet out of the car,
Then throw into the mix he is looking at "fast" cars that is almost 10 years old, and probably had the sheet driven out of them already, with no warrantee left.
And people are confused why bank managers can be difficult.
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buy cash ?
 
Just get a Porsche, Mercedes, Range Rover or BMW. It's what most strugglers drive today, and it does not seem prevent them from struggling at all, the struggle continues no matter what one drives.
 
capd said:
I'm in the market for a sport SUV, and after a year of researching, I'm struggling to reach the finalists. It seems to come down to a heart vs head decision – some are fast and less practical, and others are slower and more capable. Things like depreciation and resale are also important to me.

I've narrowed my list down the the below, but am open to other options. My requirements are fast (sub 6-seconds at least), with some light off-road capabilities.

Audi SQ5 8R BiTDI V6 (2013 - 2016/17) – Very fast but not so practical with mostly 20" 45-profile tyres. Very expensive still, they seem to be holding their value well. Outdated cockpit but B&O and Bluetooth phone connection present in most. ZF 'box. This has been my main focus so forms a benchmark of comparison. R500k for a good one with +-100,000km.

Audi SQ5 80A 3.0T V6 (2017-) – Very fast but not so sure of practicality with wheels probably in line with the above. Far more modern exterior and interior. Bigger screens, digital instrument cluster, etc. Not that I need this or am a huge fan. Letdown looks-wise are the quad pipes which have been adapted into the rear bumper/diffuser. Price close to that of the above, older BiTDI. R650k for a good one.

Audi Q7 4L 3.0 TDI V6 or 4.2 TDI V8 (2012 - 2015 (exterior & interior facelift)) – Slower but far more practicality. Could do software for a performance improvement. Very outdated interior, but quality. 7-seater. Bose audio common. Air or spring suspension. Seen most of their depreciation. R250,000 for a good one.

Audi Q7 4M 3.0 TDI V6 (2015-) – A lot more modern throughout with strong depreciation already to close to the SQ5 BiTDI mark. Slower but could do software. Practical. Not easy to find S line. R600k for a good one.

VW Touareg 7P (2012 - 2014) (pre-facelift) or facelift (2015 - 2017) – Slower but could do software. More modern interior than the SQ5 BiTDI and Q7 4M. Very comfortable, quality interior. 5-seater. Air or steel suspension. Very capable off-road. R-Line common. Hard to find ones with Dynaudio.

My last options including bakkies, but don't think I'll go here due to the high price of bakkies in SA. Also don't want to focus this thread too much here:

Ford Everest 2.0 TDI/BiTDI / 2.2 / Sport / XLT – Could look at demo, a lot of car for the money, but horrendous interior quality.
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Audi's are very expensive to fix. They look great, but like a BMW. Once its out of the warranty, get rid of it fast. BMW has 5 year warranty and can extend by 2 years.

The BMW X3 is very popular too. Have a look at that one too.
capd said:
Ford Ranger Wildtrak – Much the same as above.

Land Rover Discovery 4 – Not done too much research but they seem solid with quality interiors, not fast at all, 5- and 7-seater options.

Toyota Hilux – Not researched much.

VW Amarok – Love these but the 3.0 TDI V6 is scarce and expensive second-hand.

What would you do?
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Range Rover, dont bother with a Land Rover, they arent great. The Range Rover is the powerhorse. An old one. ie the Ford/BMW era ones were great.

You have to ask yourself one question. Are you only going to drive over leaves in the city or you want to travel to other locations? Because most mechanics outside cant fix things like the Porsche, Peugeot, Audis, etc. So like my friends experienced. Be prepared for long distance towing. Yip all the way back to the city.

The Touareg are nice, Range Rover (not the evoque), Hyundai Palisade, Mercedes GLB (or GLC), Toyota Fortuner. Also think about where you go and how much space you need, compared to fuel consumption.
 
A Porsche Cayenne/Macan with PASM (Porsche Active Suspension Management) and Air suspension would have the best balance between sporty and off-tar capability. Similar Touaregs are also good options.
 
Naks said:
If you plan on keeping this vehicle for a long time, ditch the dirty oil burners and get a 2-3 year old Range Rover Sport Supercharged.

They depreciate fast, so you can get a good one for around R800-900k, the AJV8 is bulletproof and will go on forever, and you get more luxury than you will ever need.
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…..and it is made by Tata in India.
 
capd said:
Hehe... To clarify, I mean capable at driving well off the beaten track, dirt roads, farm roads, bad condition roads, etc. I wouldn't be doing any extreme 'true off-roading'. Which I'm quite sure the Touareg and Q7 are mostly capable of...? Everyone tells me the Touareg in particular is heavily underrated.
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Land Cruiser 200 (not the 300)
 
kanzen said:

Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT​

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Trackhawk ?
 
Sounds like you haven’t actually driven any of them and just looking at spec sheets?

Also I should point out you are looking for an SUV not a SSUV.
 
Go for a Q7 (4.5 years) into its life. Depreciated at most now, still under warrantee!

Its huge, fun, and a hotel on wheels with power!

I wont go the petrol version. Go diesel. 100L tank, and can easily go 1200km on a tank

I drive one! You wont regret
 
zerocool2009 said:
Go for a Q7 (4.5 years) into its life. Depreciated at most now, still under warrantee!

Its huge, fun, and a hotel on wheels with power!

I wont go the petrol version. Go diesel. 100L tank, and can easily go 1200km on a tank

I drive one! You wont regret
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Do you know if S line worth it in the 4M Q7? Any info as to what it offers? Which are the add-ons? And ones to look out for? Is there an upgraded audio add-on? Air suspension?

I also like the 4L Q7. A lot of car for the money, but very dated interior, albeit solid.
 
neoprema said:
Volvo T6 R-Design is 0-100 in 5.8s - without Polestar upgrade.
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You have to actually specify the model. You can’t just say Volvo T6. I presume you mean the XC60, the XC60 T6 R-Design.

(There is an XC90 T6 R-Design, then overseas there are also V60 & V90 T6 R-Design options etc)
 
FiestaST said:
You have to actually specify the model. You can’t just say Volvo T6. I presume you mean the XC60, the XC60 T6 R-Design.

(There is an XC90 T6 R-Design, then overseas there are also V60 & V90 T6 R-Design options etc)
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I just woke up when I posted that yo
I meant the XC60 lol.
 
Corelli said:
Audi's are very expensive to fix. They look great, but like a BMW. Once its out of the warranty, get rid of it fast. BMW has 5 year warranty and can extend by 2 years.

The BMW X3 is very popular too. Have a look at that one too.

Range Rover, dont bother with a Land Rover, they arent great. The Range Rover is the powerhorse. An old one. ie the Ford/BMW era ones were great.

You have to ask yourself one question. Are you only going to drive over leaves in the city or you want to travel to other locations? Because most mechanics outside cant fix things like the Porsche, Peugeot, Audis, etc. So like my friends experienced. Be prepared for long distance towing. Yip all the way back to the city.

The Touareg are nice, Range Rover (not the evoque), Hyundai Palisade, Mercedes GLB (or GLC), Toyota Fortuner. Also think about where you go and how much space you need, compared to fuel consumption.
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The Audi Freeway maintenance plan is for 5 years or 100 000km and can be extended by up to a further 5 years and 200 000km. As far as I know it is available on most of their range right up to the Q8. I am not sure though about the more exotic models like the SQ5, RS4, RS6, RSQ8, etc.
 
Sinbad said:
*cough*
Cayenne diesel S - 850Nm and 280kw. It's most certainly not disappointing, and it also delivers amazing economy for its size and power.
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But then you have to hope like hell the previous owners specked it nicely and bit the bullet so that it’s actually worth driving every day.
 
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