Springbok rugby coach developments...

Sl8er

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Well the Springboks are already in a "bad place" so I'm kind of curious to see what Davids does if he gets the job.
He did quite a lot with very little at the Kings (SR), so I'm willing to stick around to see what he'll do with our "cream of the crop."

Don't mark my words or hold me to 'em, but: How bad could it possibly get? :D :p

* jinx's it...facepalm *
 

Saber_rider45

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Well if this is true let's see what Rassie and David's can do, a super rugby winning coach could barely do anything. If anything super rugby success does not really equate to national success let's not forget Robbie Deans.
 

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Now Peter de Villeirs and Mwzandile Stick are being linked to the coaching set up..
 

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Now Peter de Villeirs and Mwzandile Stick are being linked to the coaching set up..
Yeah, this is a silly excuse to pull these men back in. De Villiers is out and should stay out. Stick needs more experience in the arena to be even considered.

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/rassie-to-coach-boks-himself-and-could-peter-de-villiers-return-12224331

Rassie to coach Boks himself... and could Peter de Villiers return?

Newly appointed director of rugby Rassie Erasmus will take charge of the Boks in the new year, even though he will officially not go under the title of “head coach”.

Erasmus was brought back from Munster in Ireland recently with the sole purpose of turning the Bok team around and making them a winning combination again.

He will, from 2018, pick the Bok squads, decide on game plans and the structures and fulfil the role of head coach.

His duties will be similar to those of Eddie Jones, who is director of rugby with England, and he will be a hands-on coach, directing affairs on and off the field.

Erasmus’ right-hand man will be defence guru Jacques Nienaber, who returned with him from Munster.

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Other newcomers to the 2018 coaching team may include Deon Davids, the Southern Kings coach who is widely respected for making the Eastern Cape team competitive with little resources, former Bok boss Peter de Villiers, former Bok assistant Mzwandile Stick and possibly Davids’ right-hand man at the Kings, Barend Pieterse.

These men are believed to be options Erasmus is considering to help rejuvenate the Boks next year, leaving the Bok futures of the likes of Franco Smith, Matthew Proudfoot and consultant Brendan Venter up in the air.

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It is further understood SA Rugby are considering scrapping the 30-Test eligibility rule for overseas-based players; something which was implemented to help halt the player drain from South Africa.

However, the unavailability because of this rule of several Europe-based men has been put forward as a one of the reasons why the Boks have struggled so much in some areas this year.

Scrapping this rule would open the door for several players to again become available for the Boks, and thus strengthening the squad.

Also, it is believed Erasmus is keen to involve a few senior Boks based overseas next year and in the build-up to the 2019 World Cup, among them Frans Steyn and especially Duane Vermeulen, who is rumoured to be in discussions around a possible move back to South Africa, and potentially taking up the Bok captaincy in 2018.
 

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Yeah, this is a silly excuse to pull these men back in. De Villiers is out and should stay out. Stick needs more experience in the arena to be even considered.

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/rassie-to-coach-boks-himself-and-could-peter-de-villiers-return-12224331
Duane Vermeulen, who is rumoured to be in discussions around a possible move back to South Africa, and potentially taking up the Bok captaincy in 2018
That will be a bit of a kick in the face for Warren Whiteley.
 

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Allister Coetzee says he was offered a 'ceremonial' role as Springbok coach in 2018, which would have meant the 'indignity' of reporting to Rassie Erasmus.

This is revealed in a letter sent from Coetzee to SA Rugby CEO Jurie Roux via his legal representatives. SA Rugby has confirmed the authenticity of the letter to TimesLIVE, which is in possession of it.

In the letter, Coetzee takes no responsibility for the Springboks' poor performances over the past two years, which saw them win just 11 of 25 Tests, blaming everything but himself.

According to the letter, Coetzee met with SA Rugby CEO Jurie Roux on 18 January and was told his contract as Springbok coach would be terminated.

Coetzee says he was told if he wanted to remain employed by SA Rugby, he would be the 'ceremonial' Bok coach with Erasmus, the director of rugby, in charge of the team.

'At this meeting‚ you [Roux] represented the South African Rugby Union (SARU) and I was represented by Mr Piet Heymans of Sport Employees Unite‚ although I was also personally present in the meeting‚' wrote Coetzee in his letter.

'In the context of the engagements between you and I prior to the aforesaid meeting‚ it was made plain to me that the meeting would deal with the anticipated performance review and its procedures as contemplated by my employment contract.

'Instead‚ the meeting was used as a platform to inform me of SARU’s decision that it intends to‚ inter alia‚ terminate my contract of employment with immediate effect.

'You informed me that the decision was taken by Mark Alexander (President of SARU)‚ Francois Davids (Deputy President) and James Stoffberg (Vice President) and mandated you as the CEO of SARU to inform me of the decision.

'You further informed me that a further aspect of the decision is that my services will be terminated regardless of the outcome of the anticipated performance review‚ as contemplated by my employment contract.

'And‚ should I wish to remain in SARU’s employment‚ I will be reduced to a ceremonial coach‚ and further that Johan Erasmus (‘Rassie’) has already been employed to replace me and is already performing the duties of the Springbok Coach. Should I be reduced to the position of a ceremonial coach I would have to face the indignity of reporting to Rassie.

'I also find it deeply reprehensible that‚ notwithstanding the fact that I have at all relevant times displayed the utmost good faith towards SARU‚ SARU has not‚ as a minimum‚ returned the favour.

'In any event‚ SARU is contractually obliged to exercise utmost good faith towards me. The fact that a decision has been made that I will be reduced to a ceremonial coach should I resist any attempt by SARU to terminate my services does not only constitute an unfair labour practice but again infringes my right to dignity and equality.'

Coetzee claims he was set up to fail as Bok coach.

'I was the most successful Super Rugby Coach at the time of my appointment and was requested to return to Springbok rugby from Japan because my country needed me.

'My treatment since my return suggested that elements in SARU embarked on a deliberate attempt to undermine me from the word go and to create the public impression of incompetence on my part whilst wilfully obstructing my efforts to be successful.

'I will not allow elements in SARU to wilfully destroy me and render me unemployable as was done to Peter De Villiers.

'I am not interested in money and that I will fight to protect my hard-earned reputation which is in the process of being deliberately soiled publicly by elements within SARU.'
http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/allisters-explosive-letter-leaked
 

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good riddance to bad rubbish, don't let the door hit you in the bigfarkinghead on your way out, dwoos
 

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AC will be sitting with pans full of egg on his face if the Boks kick ass with Rassie at the helm.
Only time will tell.
Though I do feel for AC, a little, in hindsight he may not have been the best choice as coach.

Good luck to Rassie!
(Right now, I think he's awesome. We'll see how the season progresses, though! :p :D )
 

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Only hope is for us to import a coach from New Zealand. No one knows the game better.
 

greg0205

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/pops in

Wonders why folk here think Alexander and Roux are capable of giving a f**k about the coach, the squad or millions of fans and not just themselves...

/leaves scratching head
 
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Thank **** - couldn't bear watching us any longer
 

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Wonder just how much he got in the settlement...
 

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AC will be sitting with pans full of egg on his face if the Boks kick ass with Rassie at the helm.
Only time will tell.
Though I do feel for AC, a little, in hindsight he may not have been the best choice as coach.

Good luck to Rassie!
(Right now, I think he's awesome. We'll see how the season progresses, though! :p :D )
Rassie is going to have the same thick as two planks players, we get outsmarted by everyone. Rassie is not going to make the players anymore intelligent.
 
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