Springbok rugby coach developments...

greg0205

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Well, you did quote greg in your post, and he was referring to a "I don't care if they lose, as long as they look good" type scenario.

But hey, what are sports fans if not people with opinions :)
No, no... I like your philosophy much better. One where we need no structure, combinations and overall philosophy of how we'd like to play the game. One where we play an unpracticed, directionless vomit of running/stampkar/forward/back/open/defensive AND attacking rugby and magically pull wins, and I presume handkerchiefs and bunnies, out of our asses from the get-go... Where do I sign up for that?
 

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We have a different coach every time
Doing the same thing
and expecting a different outcome every time.

get a NZ coach and teach the boks, basics, ball handling, running rugby and please show them how to play intelligent rugby.
The only reason you see it in New Zealand is that they 'recently adopted enterprising rugby into their national test seasons, but the Europeans have played this rugby on club level since yonks ago.

Rassie may not be the greatest coach on the books, but he knows SA rugby on management level where he has served as general manager and has been a great administrator at Munster where he won the 2016/17 Pro 12 season coaching title.

In my opinion, Rassie may very well be the right choice and since he is young, an accomplished rugby player, versed in our and European rugby, he may be around longer than many may think. One day he will be ‘the’ big wig at SARU. Why people doubt him is beyond me, have the respect to see him be trialled.

Not to mention, Plumtree is likely to take over at the Hurricanes.
 

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No, no... I like your philosophy much better. One where we need no structure, combinations and overall philosophy of how we'd like to play the game. One where we play an unpracticed, directionless vomit of running/stampkar/forward/back/open/defensive AND attacking rugby and magically pull wins, and I presume handkerchiefs and bunnies, out of our asses from the get-go... Where do I sign up for that?
Dude. If you going to put things in my mouth, make it various sweet bits from a woman.

But fark that. You justify how you got anything of the below from what I posted. Please. It will be interesting.

"I like your philosophy much better. One where we need no structure, combinations and overall philosophy of how we'd like to play the game. One where we play an unpracticed, directionless vomit of running/stampkar/forward/back/open/defensive AND attacking rugby and magically pull wins, and I presume handkerchiefs and bunnies, out of our asses from the get-go"

I dare you to try and back up your asinine comment.
 
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greg0205

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Dude. If you going to put things in my mouth, make it various sweet bits from a woman.

But fark that. You justify how you got anything of the below from what I posted. Please. It will be interesting.

"I like your philosophy much better. One where we need no structure, combinations and overall philosophy of how we'd like to play the game. One where we play an unpracticed, directionless vomit of running/stampkar/forward/back/open/defensive AND attacking rugby and magically pull wins, and I presume handkerchiefs and bunnies, out of our asses from the get-go"

I dare you to try and back up your asinine comment.
Allow me

Who gives a fudge about style of play - AC and co were going to have "attacking rugby".

As long as the bokke start winning again and restore some pride in the jersey, I don't care how they do it.
 

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Has he been confirmed as coach?
https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby/2018-02-02-rassie-erasmus-to-be-coach-but-not-called-bok-coach/

Rassie Erasmus to be 'coach‚ but not called Bok coach'

Unofficially TimesLIVE has been informed that director of rugby Rassie Erasmus would take up the position as head of a coaching group‚ which includes SA Rugby employees such as defence coach specialist Jacques Nienaber.

But in a statement SA Rugby didn’t go as far as naming Erasmus as Coetzee’s successor‚ rather opaquely indicating that he would be the coach even if he isn’t 'called Springbok coach'.

“The Rugby Department will manage the responsibilities of the Springbok coach‚ until the national team’s coaching and management group for 2018 is confirmed later this month‚” SA Rugby’s statement read.

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Last week TimesLIVE published excerpts from a letter‚ in its possession‚ written by Coetzee and addressed to SA Rugby CEO Jurie Roux.

In the 19-page document‚ Coetzee questioned Erasmus’s credentials to fulfil the job of Bok coach‚ strengthening indications that the latter will take over.
I don't think that he will ever be named head coach. The question is rather how they will structure the coaching hierarchy? More will be made known later this month.

I doubt that they will name his deputy head coach… whomever this may be. Through time the media will most likely say it, that Rassie is the head coach.
 

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Umm - you were the one saying they should not play a certain way, but if they play another way, and lose, its ok...

I never mentioned the way they should play, other than if they win I don't care.

So, your turn.
 

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And this is what the mighty bokke have been reduced to - fans accepting losses as long as the team looked ok doing so.
I don't think that's quite fair.

Part of the problem is the Boks haven't had a coach, SARU and fans that would accept a rebuilding phase with a number of losses, if an improvement plan was actually put in place.

What rather happens is that the new coach tries to implement something new but then buckles under pressure after a few losses and goes back to old game plans which are outdated. Then they don't win anyway and we're back to square one.
 

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I don't think that's quite fair.

Part of the problem is the Boks haven't had a coach, SARU and fans that would accept a rebuilding phase with a number of losses, if an improvement plan was actually put in place.

What rather happens is that the new coach tries to implement something new but then buckles under pressure after a few losses and goes back to old game plans which are outdated. Then they don't win anyway and we're back to square one.
And where did I say differently?
 

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Springbok media advisory

SA Rugby will announce the Springbok management for 2018 via an electronic media release at 11h30 on Thursday, 1 March 2018. This will be followed by a media conference with the new Springbok coach, starting at 13h00 at the SuperSport studios in Randburg, Johannesburg.
 

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Anybody know if and where this will be aired?
Feel free to post a link here -if I happened across anything (not that I'm going to go look, just too busy ATM), I'll do the same.
 

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So...Rassie it is -not that we didn't see it coming.
Well, as director of rugby he is formally and technically the head coach in hierarchy. If they named any other person as head (or Springbok) coach it would have been a farce to entertain transformation. By announcing Rassie in this role, they called it as it is.
 

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https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/rassie-erasmus-confirmed-as-springbok-coach-20180301

Springbok management team:

Head coach: Rassie Erasmus

Assistant coaches: Jacques Nienaber, Pieter de Villiers, Mzwandile Stick

Head of athletic performance: Aled Walters

Technical analyst: Lindsay Weyer

Team doctor: Konrad von Hagen

Head of operations: Charles Wessels

Physiotherapists: Vivian Verwant, Rene Naylor, Tanu Pillay

Logistics manager: JJ Fredericks

Media manager: Rayaan Adriaanse

PR manager: Annelee Murray

Brief profile of Rassie Erasmus:

Born: October 5, 1972

Birth place: Despatch, Eastern Cape

University: University of Free State

International playing career:

Total Springbok matches: 39 (36 Tests, three tour matches)

Positions: Flank (34) No 8 (2)

Test debut: July 5, 1997 v the British & Irish Lions in Johannesburg, aged 24

Last Test: June 23, 2001 v France in Durban, aged 28

Win ratio: 27-9-0

Captained the Springboks against Australia in Brisbane, 1999

Coaching career:

2004: Coach - Free State Cheetahs (Vodacom Cup)

2005-2007: Head coach - Free State Cheetahs (won the Currie Cup in 2005 and shared 2006 with the Blue Bulls)

2007: Technical advisor - Springboks

2008-2010: Director of coaching and head coach – Stormers and Western Province

2011: Technical specialist - Springboks (Rugby World Cup)

2012-2016: SA Rugby General Manager: High Performance Teams/Rugby Department

2016-2017: Director of rugby and head coach - Munster (won PRO12 Coach of the Season Award in 2017)

November 2017: Appointed as director of rugby at SA Rugby
 

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Strange no-one is saying anything on the new coaching team.

Jacques Nienaber, Pieter de Villiers, two big contributions to this rebuild. I know Stick is there, but many I know are under the impression that Erasmus will better guide Stick in his position. All-in-all, other than Stick going by experience, this is a superb setup.

All they need to do now is to welcome back our European stock, make every player in the stable available to represent the Springboks. Obviously, club negotiations and their conditions and terms will take precedence, but we will have a larger ‘quality’ player base. I am glad that we do have black and coloured players abroad now and their improvement is noticeable. Clearly, in my opinion, there is something wrong at the WP/Stormers player development camp and needs to be addressed.

I am happy with the management team, no complaints. It is also good that the PRO14 and Super Rugby coaches are still at their posts to develop the broader contingency, player and game plan.

This may be best we had since the Jake White heyday.
 

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Jeez they have a lot of extra people hanging around. A media manager and a PR manager. I think to many chiefs in charge might be one of the problems.

Awesome to have Rassie and snorre back. Now I can watch rugby again.
 

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Jeez they have a lot of extra people hanging around. A media manager and a PR manager. I think to many chiefs in charge might be one of the problems.

Awesome to have Rassie and snorre back. Now I can watch rugby again.
Snorre? Snorre is coaching Zimbabwe.
 

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Jeez they have a lot of extra people hanging around. A media manager and a PR manager. I think to many chiefs in charge might be one of the problems.

Awesome to have Rassie and snorre back. Now I can watch rugby again.
Pieter, not Peter.
 
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