Station Strangler set for release

pinball wizard said:
Where @Convict is? Need his input.
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There are not many guys left inside whose prison no's start with 95, so he surely spent a long time inside, but whether he has changed or not I would not know. When it comes to the release of lifers, it is such a big mess. at times they release guys on parole that is doing life and then you wonder if they even read the file, then other inmates you would consider more favorably when coming to parole, gets denied.

He is getting released though, so all that a person can hope for is that the DCS made sure this guy is ready to be released, which is the same as wishing loadshedding away.
 
Solver said:
Wonder how he feels about the state of the stations today. Like going to your favorite hot spot only to see its closed down or in ruin. Can't imagine how he'd be able to integrate back into society anyway. Prob just another R350 grant recipient!
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I'm guessing he'll beg to go back inside.
 
konfab said:
No need for that. Just keep him locked up till he dies.
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Why waste that much tax money, it is barbaric to lock a person in a cage until they die. Anyone with no hope of being released should just be executed.
More humane and less costly.
 
rietrot said:
Why waste that much tax money, it is barbaric to lock a person in a cage until they die. Anyone with no hope of being released should just be executed.
More humane and less costly.
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Not from their perspective. Inmates in the US will fight lengthy legal battles to 'downgrade' their sentence to life imprisonment. But that being said, would be 100% in favour of a voluntary death penalty upgrade for inmates. If they get sick of it, they can opt out.

In terms of cost, death penalty is more expensive because of the legal processes involved. Lawyers are much more expensive than the prison system.

You want the best and most precise argument against the death penalty I have heard: it is Steve Gosney who is a public defence attorney in Florida.
https://rumble.com/v2er2uu-death-penalty-is-a-net-policy-negative-8-pm-est-saturday-32523.html
 
konfab said:
Not from their perspective. Inmates in the US will fight lengthy legal battles to 'downgrade' their sentence to life imprisonment. But that being said, would be 100% in favour of a voluntary death penalty upgrade for inmates. If they get sick of it, they can opt out.

In terms of cost, death penalty is more expensive because of the legal processes involved. Lawyers are much more expensive than the prison system.

You want the best and most precise argument against the death penalty I have heard: it is Steve Gosney who is a public defence attorney in Florida.
https://rumble.com/v2er2uu-death-penalty-is-a-net-policy-negative-8-pm-est-saturday-32523.html
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I seriously do not care what the perspective of a rapist or murder is. That's a bad argument from you.

It doesn't have to be that expensive. Just hang them. You can even reuse the same rope.

The best argument against the death penalty is that the state is incompetent and corrupt and will even plant evidence to get false convictions.
There you have a argument for questionable fringe cases.

The video you linked is really bad. Firstly the pragmatic line of reasoning of weighing up pros and cons is bad
He rightfully highlights some of the worst aspects of the American system, that's not relevant as I didn't suggest we copy the worst parts of what the Americans do.
 
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rietrot said:
I seriously do not care what the perspective of a rapist of murder is. That's a bad argument from you.
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You were the one who made the motion that the death penalty was barbaric, and it was more humane to kill people.
, it is barbaric to lock a person in a cage until they die. Anyone with no hope of being released should just be executed.
More humane and less costly.
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It is actually a thing funnily enough. Some people on life sentences 'upgrade' it by killing their cellmate. In a life sentence you don't have your own TV, on death row, you do.


rietrot said:
It doesn't have to be that expensive. Just hang them. You can even reuse the same rope.
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So you want the death penalty process to be very quick. Who cares about being careful when you are only risking killing an innocent person?

rietrot said:
The best argument against the death penalty is that the state is incompetent and corrupt and will even plant evidence to get false convictions.
There you have a argument for questionable fringe cases.
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That is one argument, but I do not think it is a particularly strong one. Someone could just say they will have an even more rigorous process (which ironically will cost more). No, I think it is better to argue against the death penalty in non-fringe cases. Like the Darryll Brooks Christmas day SUV attack, watching that trial with him defending himself is literally the best test for a pro-life person. The arguement you have to present is why the state killing him will result in a net positive or a net negative for society at large, over and above a life without parole sentence which would be the alternative.
 
konfab said:
You were the one who made the motion that the death penalty was barbaric, and it was more humane to kill people.


It is actually a thing funnily enough. Some people on life sentences 'upgrade' it by killing their cellmate. In a life sentence you don't have your own TV, on death row, you do.



So you want the death penalty process to be very quick. Who cares about being careful when you are only risking killing an innocent person?


That is one argument, but I do not think it is a particularly strong one. Someone could just say they will have an even more rigorous process (which ironically will cost more). No, I think it is better to argue against the death penalty in non-fringe cases. Like the Darryll Brooks Christmas day SUV attack, watching that trial with him defending himself is literally the best test for a pro-life person. The arguement you have to present is why the state killing him will result in a net positive or a net negative for society at large, over and above a life without parole sentence which would be the alternative.
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I did an edit above to address the rumble video,but there isn't much to it.

I want all legal issues resolved speedily, but following the necessary legal due process.

If you find a serial killer with bodies in his basement, hang him the same day. Show a judge the evidence and use a tree in his yard.
If it is a case that only relies on witness testimony then don't.
You draw the line on severity and certainty.
Your video explains the unnecessary delay, Governor needs to sign death warrants and they delay for political reasons. I agree that is bad.(I would include it in state incompetence)

The SUV attack, there's a chance that it might be an accident. If we can confirm someone did that on purpose, his motive.(I haven't followed the trail) then I am all for just ending him.

The justification for it is quite simple. He is not fit to be a functional member of society as he is to dangerous(We agree up to this point), I don't want my tax money going to support his stay in prison were as you pointed out he might murder more people. And I have no moral objection to killing someone who deserves it.
 
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NarrowBandFtw said:
tell that to Janusz Waluś who spent 6 years in the parole process ...
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Technically, he was eligible for parole after serving only 12 years 8 months, so I think it was more then 6 years, but him going to court that might have been only 6 years. I think for the average lifer, the process takes around 5 - 6 years. The really "lucky" lifers that gets parole on first consideration, for them the parole process can take anything between 2 - 3 years..
 
Neptuner said:
It seems they could only pin one body on him, but wasn’t there always this lurking suspicion that he had an accomplice?

I recall their was a witness who vividly described the SS to have a scar though this guy who went down for the one body never fit the description as witnessed by the survivor?
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I believe the detectives/prosecutor felt that they could only 100% prove one murder and/or they decided to charge him with one murder only because that would at least get him convicted and in prison. IIRC the other families were (obvs!) not happy that he was not charged with the murders of their sons.
 
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No no no no no! He should never be released!

According to many studies by psychologists, serial killers cannot be reformed or rehabilitated.

One of the reasons for this is that, for someone to "become" a serial killer it takes let's say for argument's sake 20 years .... they usually come from backgrounds where there was some sort of abuse or neglect, mental, physical, sexual, etc. Over the years they harbour these feelings of anger, they have revenge fantasies, and they want to feel in control (because being abused in any type of way will make you feel that you have no control). On average, by the time they reach their early or mid twenties, they start killing. Before that, there may be other actions like starting off as e.g. a peeping tom, stalking people, assaulting them, and eventually, for them to live out their fantasy of revenge, they "graduate" to murder.

For a trained psychologist, using intense treatment/therapy/rehabilitation techniques (the kind of which is not usually available in our prisons), it would take AT LEAST the same amount of time that it took to "make" a serial killer to "undo" their mental/psychological makeup and turn them around.

That is the simple explanation as to why they cannot be rehabilitated and for the protection of society, should never be released.
 
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If anyone is interested, the former SAPS profiler Micki Pistorius wrote extensively about Simons, his crimes and the investigation in her book Catch Me a Killer.
 
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Candystore said:
No no no no no! He should never be released!

According to many studies by psychologists, serial killers cannot be reformed or rehabilitated.

One of the reasons for this is that, for someone to "become" a serial killer it takes let's say for argument's sake 20 years .... they usually come from backgrounds where there was some sort of abuse or neglect, mental, physical, sexual, etc. Over the years they harbour these feelings of anger, they have revenge fantasies, and they want to feel in control (because being abused in any type of way will make you feel that you have no control). On average, by the time they reach their early or mid twenties, they start killing. Before that, there may be other actions like starting off as e.g. a peeping tom, stalking people, assaulting them, and eventually, for them to live out their fantasy of revenge, they "graduate" to murder.

For a trained psychologist, using intense treatment/therapy/rehabilitation techniques (the kind of which is not usually available in our prisons), it would take AT LEAST the same amount of time that it took to "make" a serial killer to "undo" their mental/psychological makeup and turn them around.

That is the simple explanation as to why they cannot be rehabilitated and for the protection of society, should never be released.
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This article backs up what you stated:

www.sowetanlive.co.za

Criminal experts uncertain if 'Station Strangler' will relapse

The state has been warned to keep Norman Afzal Simons, dubbed the "Station Strangler", on its radar after his pending release from prison where he served 28 years.
www.sowetanlive.co.za www.sowetanlive.co.za
 
The question now is, will he stay off the beaches, pay his TV license and turn off the geyser?
 
rh1 said:
Where the letters M7 is that field to the left and the housing to the right (which was an open veldt) was where the bodies were dumped.
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I lived right there, by the grey pin, Volstruis Street; in that same time frame.
I attended Weltevreden Primary and Hillside Primary.
Walked to school alone most of the time. :crying:

I used to cross the hill between Rocklands and Westridge every Sunday as well.
 
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