Suzuki experience?

epah said:
Wait a minute... So My 1L Turbo makes more torque than your mighty 1.8L Hybrid.

The 1.8 Hybrid is powered by a 1.8-litre petrol engine and is devoid of any form of forced induction, so no turbochargers or superchargers. It produces 73 kW and 142 Nm torque. It's supplemented by a self-charging hybrid system to increase both the power and torque, for totals of 103 kW with the torque being increased by 163 Nm.
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And the kW?
 
nazmo said:
yeah i dont expect it to be as visceral as my clio, but i expected it to be more interesting, balance wise, steering input etc. VW is pretty neutral, some like the clubsport is fun, but mostly vw/audi is a touch boring. an old mx5 is surprisingly amazing.

i did want a daily swift sport, but the price and lack of dynamics put me off.
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Sadly I've just got the 900t :( it gets the job done. The GTIs on the VW course weren't that impressive though. The Beemers and Mercs now those wow. But the highlight was this
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Wow, but even the big 3l NA cars were just yum, especially doing Gymkhana in them, though 2 million bucks in 2019 for a car feels a lot
 
Supervan II said:
LOL.

I have been owning VW's since 1980. My wife too, since 1984. We've always had 2 x VWs in our garage at any given time

Our cars last longer than 10 years, and are sold because of desire, rather than necessity. And no-one could ever accuse either of us as typical geriatric drivers to this day - on the contrary ... However, care and maintenance is a given.

One poor experience with a vehicle can put you off any particular brand, but more than one of the same brand? You must be doing something wrong!
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Have you had door lock issues yet? Its a typical VW issue.
 
That’s because it IS the build quality of a Tata, most likely built right next door.

You get Suzukis and then you get real Suzukis.

Sadly the truth for most modern midrange brands…even from the likes of Honda and Toyota.

Rebranded kak.
 
Corelli said:
Have you had door lock issues yet? Its a typical VW issue.
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Replaced driver's side on 2007 SEAT Ibiza about three years ago. Seeing that I disassembled it and analysed its operation, removed and opened/cleaned/lubed the other three doors - no further issues since. Used contact cleaner on the electric parts. Took me one Saturday afternoon as I had the correct tools.

ETA: Only other issues, besides replacing the battery, was a failed starter motor two months ago. Removed it and had it rebuilt - R900.00 and a day later and it was up and running again.

Still on original clutch. Disk pads all around replaced 4/5 years ago. And fuel pump (in tank) replaced six months ago. All done DIY, except disc pads as a special tool is required to do the rear pads - had it done at an independant outfit.
 
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Supervan II said:
Replaced driver's side on 2007 SEAT Ibiza about three years ago. Seeing that I disassembled it and analysed its operation, removed and opened/cleaned/lubed the other three doors - no further issues since. Used contact cleaner on the electric parts. Took me one Saturday afternoon as I had the correct tools.

ETA: Only other issues, besides replacing the battery, was a failed starter motor two months ago. Removed it and had it rebuilt - R900.00 and a day later and it was up and running again.

Still on original clutch. Disk pads all around replaced 4/5 years ago. And fuel pump (in tank) replaced six months ago. All done DIY, except disc pads as a special tool is required to do the rear pads - had it done at an independant outfit.
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Reminds me- I played a round of golf some years back with a VW dealer principle. He said VWs are good cars for DIY enthusiasts. You can drive them during the week and fix them over the weekend. (In my experience, that is if it is not in a garage during the week because is is not drivable)
 
I am honestly not going read all the kak posted before. Has anybody got any real life experience with the new Grand Vitara (Urban Cruiser)? My wife is itching for one and I need to know the real red flags, not hater-drivel. Thanks in advance.
 
Superjakes said:
I am honestly not going read all the kak posted before. Has anybody got any real life experience with the new Grand Vitara (Urban Cruiser)? My wife is itching for one and I need to know the real red flags, not hater-drivel. Thanks in advance.
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The Fronx is actually better speced than the GV. My sister-in-law loves her Fronx.
 
epah said:
Okay Just got back from the rental place and got a Starlet. Only driven 2km so far and boy is it horrible, and anyone who says this thing has power is lying, you have to plant your foot to the floor to get it going. Rattles everywhere, and the clutch pedal is too close to the foot rest. (10 000km) on the clock.

Will drive on the highway later after work, lets see how it is there.
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The question is, will it sht itself and start shedding parts like a certain hyundnaai?
 
Superjakes said:
Has anybody got any real life experience with the new Grand Vitara (Urban Cruiser)? My wife is itching for one and I need to know the real red flags, not hater-drivel. Thanks in advance.
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My thoughts from comparing the Fronx/Starlet Cross to Grand Vitara/Urban Cruiser :

- The Fronx seemed to have more attention to detail. The Grand Vitara didn't have splash plates under the engine, the noise dampening in the rear of the cabin was also worse as I could hear a metallic humming from the exhaust too.
- The Grand Vitara felt more unstable and top heavy when turning, likely due to the much softer suspension and higher ground clearance giving it that "SUV" feeling.
- The Fronx felt much sportier, due to the stiffer suspension, lower ground clearance and lower weight (130kg less) whilst having the same engine.
- Sitting in the back of the Grand Vitara, I'm only 1.78m and my head was hitting the roof while it doesn't in the Fronx which is odd as I expected the Grand Vitara to feel bigger in the back. Front is fine and plenty space.
- The interior on the Grand Vitara GLX is artificial leather (and has a rear seat armrest) which is much nicer than the GLX spec on the Fronx which is still fabric and no rear seat armrest.
- The GLX spec of the Grand Vitara comes with a big mandatory sunroof which I'm not a fan of. It has a thin little fabric slider to cover it and it lets in a lot of heat. In India they heavily suggest getting it tinted which helps a bit.
- The spec is otherwise very similar. Same engines and gearboxes, same niceties on the top specs like 360 camera and heads up display.

Toyota Starlet Cross is basically a Fronx copy with Toyota's connect system, different front bumper + front and rear lights + rims. Very similar pricing.

But the Toyota Urban Cruiser is much worse than the Grand Vitara, Toyota clearly didn't want to eat into the Corolla Cross sales.
It lacks such basic things like LED headlights, a leather wrapped steering wheel and even a rear window wiper!
On the top model comparing XR to Suzuki GLX, it lacks the above and you also lose the larger touchscreen, artificial leather interior, wireless charging, 360 camera, heads up display, and auto dimming rear view mirror.

Test drive them and see how you feel.
 
Corelli said:
Have you had door lock issues yet? Its a typical VW issue.
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On the shiti golfs yes, or very old vw's. I had many vw's over the years, not one had that issue. And of all the vw's I had only one was a problem child. In fact, the last VW we still have is already over 170k km and it doesn't even have a single rattle yet.
 
NR7 said:
My thoughts from comparing the Fronx/Starlet Cross to Grand Vitara/Urban Cruiser :

- The Fronx seemed to have more attention to detail. The Grand Vitara didn't have splash plates under the engine, the noise dampening in the rear of the cabin was also worse as I could hear a metallic humming from the exhaust too.
- The Grand Vitara felt more unstable and top heavy when turning, likely due to the much softer suspension and higher ground clearance giving it that "SUV" feeling.
- The Fronx felt much sportier, due to the stiffer suspension, lower ground clearance and lower weight (130kg less) whilst having the same engine.
- Sitting in the back of the Grand Vitara, I'm only 1.78m and my head was hitting the roof while it doesn't in the Fronx which is odd as I expected the Grand Vitara to feel bigger in the back. Front is fine and plenty space.
- The interior on the Grand Vitara GLX is artificial leather (and has a rear seat armrest) which is much nicer than the GLX spec on the Fronx which is still fabric and no rear seat armrest.
- The GLX spec of the Grand Vitara comes with a big mandatory sunroof which I'm not a fan of. It has a thin little fabric slider to cover it and it lets in a lot of heat. In India they heavily suggest getting it tinted which helps a bit.
- The spec is otherwise very similar. Same engines and gearboxes, same niceties on the top specs like 360 camera and heads up display.

Toyota Starlet Cross is basically a Fronx copy with Toyota's connect system, different front bumper + front and rear lights + rims. Very similar pricing.

But the Toyota Urban Cruiser is much worse than the Grand Vitara, Toyota clearly didn't want to eat into the Corolla Cross sales.
It lacks such basic things like LED headlights, a leather wrapped steering wheel and even a rear window wiper!
On the top model comparing XR to Suzuki GLX, it lacks the above and you also lose the larger touchscreen, artificial leather interior, wireless charging, 360 camera, heads up display, and auto dimming rear view mirror.

Test drive them and see how you feel.
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Awesome, thanks! This takes Toyota completely out of consideration for me. This has to be a mommy-wagon, so the GV's boot space is a big plus compared to the Fronx. If there are any dealers on this page that feel like upsetting their dealer principals by giving too much discount, please feel free to contact me.
 
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