Tempers flare over new names.

Because the majority of the people who struggled and died fighting for the freedoms you now enjoy, were black, there were whites in the liberation struggle and many of them have also been honoured, think Joe Slovo, Ruth First, Beyers Naude, Nico Smith etc.

i agree, however freedom fighters of other countries have got nothing to do with our country. i am all for them changing names like Hendrik Vervoed (sp) to woteva animal anatomy they would like, but they should realise that naming a street to Yasser Arrafat (sp) is merely making individuals look again at the competencies of the government.

I think even black freedom fighters should be insulted by this, because i am sure they did not fight for freedom for this kind of circus.
 
These are the same names they were proposing a year back when they did the first lot of changes, we knew they were coming. Joe Public who doesn't like this idea obviously didn't do SFA and the opposition parties are trying to create a fanfare for publicity. Too little too late unfortunately.

The last time Joe Public had marches (I was there) and things got so tense that the gauvamint intervened and urged a rethink. So much for the rethink .... And it's not so much the opposition trying to get publicity .... alot of peeps on the ground feel strongly about this (and that includes Zondo's father saying it shouldn't be done).
 
I think even black freedom fighters should be insulted by this, because i am sure they did not fight for freedom for this kind of circus.

It's exactly what many fought for. A place on the gravy train to power for the meglomaniacs :rolleyes:
 
the sooner everyone with the means and money, leaves South Africa, so that
it self destructs and collapses in a dusty chaotic mess of its own whining,
race-obsessed corruption and stupidity, the sooner SA folks worldwide can
ultimately return and take part in creating a real democratic South Africa.

Folks in SA are prolonging the agony by staying around and thinking that anything
they can currently do, will change the present Governments course.
 
does any of it really matter, renaming that is?
Life goes on.
 
the sooner everyone with the means and money, leaves South Africa, so that
it self destructs and collapses in a dusty chaotic mess of its own whining,
race-obsessed corruption and stupidity, the sooner SA folks worldwide can
ultimately return and take part in creating a real democratic South Africa.

That makes no sense. :confused:
What you are saying is, give up?
 
does any of it really matter, renaming that is?
Life goes on.

Apart from the sensitive ones, I couldn't care except that the money could be better spent. I'll still use the names I know just because they are ingrained on my brain.
 
re 'What you are saying is, give up?'

Hardly

a) you dont have anything left anyway. (Unless you want to point to a fortified barricade around your living space, and fading memories of a country that could once be walked around in safety).
Sorry, but that isn't 'anything' much.

I'm saying 'you can't fight for anything at the moment, and will not achieve anything against the Government's various desires' - so taking a long term view, is to let them destroy much of this country, and themselves, and much of the population in the process, and then, the returning SA people, of all races, will build a 'real' democracy - and defend it from the kinds of corrupt scum and lethal morons who are presently in power.

That's not giving up. That's tactically (and sadly) withdrawing ones commitment to a delusional idea of the current situation being acceptable, or ever somehow 'becoming better'.
It can't and won't become better.
2nd law of thermodynamics 'energy goes from usable to unusable"

Walls and electric fences don't dismantle themselves, millions of immigrants and refugee's dont turn around and go home by themselves, the racial and social hatred doesn't dry up
by itself, the billions hidden away by the elite of the ANC, who have also wasted 14 years of time, don't pour back into the economic system,
and the sheer thuglike determination of the current government, to dismantle almost every positive aspect of South Africa - show one that the sanest thing to do is to say:

'Fine, I'll leave - you have this country, you deal with the spreading potential civil war, ethnic strife, spreading pandemics, increasing bitterness, violence and fear, famine and starvation - which you caused. We'll leave until you're left alone in a dustbowl of failed crops, howling mobs and horror..

But guess what - when you're dead, overwhelmed by the mobs and horrors you've created - I and/or my descendants, will come back and take over this country and build it up again in the principles of what Mandela and Tutu wanted.
And we'll make sure its a better society for all from the get-go.
 
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Dispite all its problems...this country is still one of the best countries to live in.
Sure its gonna get worse before it gets better but no matter where you go in every country they have their social problems too.

"life is a freak show and we all have to play a part"
 
Walls and electric fences don't dismantle themselves, millions of immigrants and refugee's dont turn around and go home by themselves, the racial and social hatred doesn't dry up by itself, the billions hidden away by the elite of the ANC, who have also wasted 14 years of time, don't pour back into the economic system, and the sheer thuglike determination of the current government, to dismantle almost every positive aspect of South Africa

Very true. Sad but I am also on "the way out"...
 
Sh*t is that where that place is!
Been wondering where it was for years!

LOL I remember my first time driving north to Warmbaths after the "name change" - passed it three times before figuring out it's Bela Bela! :D
 
Considering how much this country was 'raped' by it's oppressor's they managed to setup a pretty ****ing impressive infrastructure.
 
Why can't they just leave the names in English? There's a reason why English is the language that most people speak :rolleyes:

Not in SA. 90+% of SA speak English as a second/third language or don't speak it at all!
 
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